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Old 07-06-2018 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
More like less growth where you'd like it (West coast). But growth nevertheless, otherwise no codeshares.
Nope. Just more "less growth". We're already at a multi-year low growth rate. And we could cut our already low growth rate by a further 75% and STILL sign new codeshares.
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Old 07-06-2018 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Nope. Just more "less growth". We're already at a multi-year low growth rate. And we could cut our already low growth rate by a further 75% and STILL sign new codeshares.
Yep

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Old 07-06-2018 | 09:13 AM
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Ideally we would not allow any RJs and have very very limited codesharing. The TA doesn't allow RJs and has at least some limitations to codesharing. To me this is near industry leading, and a massive improvement over what we have now.

The latest MEC video out basically poses the scenario....Skywest has 100 E175-E2 on order. They're too heavy to be used at their current mainline partners. What's to stop them from replacing our E190s? Similar situation with TransStates and the Mitsubishi jet. "The threat is real."
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Old 07-06-2018 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
Ideally we would not allow any RJs and have very very limited codesharing. The TA doesn't allow RJs and has at least some limitations to codesharing. To me this is near industry leading, and a massive improvement over what we have now.

The latest MEC video out basically poses the scenario....Skywest has 100 E175-E2 on order. They're too heavy to be used at their current mainline partners. What's to stop them from replacing our E190s? Similar situation with TransStates and the Mitsubishi jet. "The threat is real."
Ok, Skywest Inc starts another certificate, called Skywest Blue, starts selling tickets on SkywestBlue.com, codeshares with JetBlue on all their West coast routes. As long as JB grows a tiny, tiny, tiny little bit, here's your RJs. Totally permissable. The "threat is real".

Same can be said for Moxy.
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Old 07-06-2018 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
Ideally we would not allow any RJs and have very very limited codesharing. The TA doesn't allow RJs and has at least some limitations to codesharing. To me this is near industry leading, and a massive improvement over what we have now.

The latest MEC video out basically poses the scenario....Skywest has 100 E175-E2 on order. They're too heavy to be used at their current mainline partners. What's to stop them from replacing our E190s? Similar situation with TransStates and the Mitsubishi jet. "The threat is real."

So you're ok with *any* degree of improvement.. even if it's just crumbs and nowhere near what it should be?


Is there some rule that a 1st TA has to be just barely better than nothing? Or is this some arbitrary mental block most BJ pilots have?



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Old 07-06-2018 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Ok, Skywest Inc starts another certificate, called Skywest Blue, starts selling tickets on SkywestBlue.com, codeshares with JetBlue on all their West coast routes. As long as JB grows a tiny, tiny, tiny little bit, here's your RJs. Totally permissable. The "threat is real".

Same can be said for Moxy.
Do you even know what a codeshare is?

In your example Skwest is starting it’s own independent airline and assuming all the risk.
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Old 07-06-2018 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
Do you even know what a codeshare is?

In your example Skwest is starting it’s own independent airline and assuming all the risk.
Exactly. Like Expressjet did once before and Moxy is about to do.

That's why I said *sell* tickets. You did say they have all those E175s that are on order too heavy for any existing mainline besides Alaska. Oh, Alaska, that brings me to my next point.
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Old 07-06-2018 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Exactly. Like Expressjet did once before and Moxy is about to do.

That's why I said *sell* tickets. You did say they have all those E175s that are on order too heavy for any existing mainline besides Alaska. Oh, Alaska, that brings me to my next point.
Jetblue will either exist in the market or it won't and it'll use a codeshare to fill a space where it couldn't profitably exist. There's little upside to the codeshare. If there was money to be made there (especially LGB) we have the planes and infrastructure to have done it.

It's like you think the CEO is sitting around thinking, if only we could pull out of the West Coast and use codeshares.
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Old 07-06-2018 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
Jetblue will either exist in the market or it won't and it'll use a codeshare to fill a space where it couldn't profitably exist. There's little upside to the codeshare. If there was money to be made there (especially LGB) we have the planes and infrastructure to have done it.

It's like you think the CEO is sitting around thinking, if only we could pull out of the West Coast and use codeshares.
Hilarious. You guys either don't listen or can't fully comprehend all the possibilities.

Either way, don't care anymore.
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Old 07-06-2018 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Hilarious. You guys either don't listen or can't fully comprehend all the possibilities.

Either way, don't care anymore.
Explain then how JB makes money off a stand alone carrier like SkyWest-blue operating west coast flights.
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