Yes vs. no
07-19-2018 | 07:52 PM
#21
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Reserve people aren't well covered by this TA.
Consider this legal scenario:
Either way, if it's not in the contract, it doesn't exist. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise because that is the legal standard. The alternative argument is: why bother having a contract if we could simply use assumptions & expectations to litigate everything?
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Consider this legal scenario:
- You just signed up with a new cell phone service provider (or your existing one has temporary outtages).
- BJ pushes an assignment to you via JETCRW.
- You fail to acknowledge it and you don't see it on your phone until you get the notification and realize report time was 15 minutes ago.
- Now you have a "missed trip" on your Dependability Policy.
Either way, if it's not in the contract, it doesn't exist. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise because that is the legal standard. The alternative argument is: why bother having a contract if we could simply use assumptions & expectations to litigate everything?
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Positive Contact: When a Pilot and Crew Services speak on a recorded line or when two-way communication occurs between a Pilot and Crew Services via JETCRW.
The Pilot has to acknowledge the assignment on JETCRW, scheduling can't just push it to JETCRW and say good enough.....must be acknowledged.
07-19-2018 | 07:58 PM
#22
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The implementation LOA alone is really scary, honestly. 12/31/2019 for some of the best provisions is concerning.
There should have been financial penalties associated with the Company not delivering an acceptable schedule for adhering to this contract.
BUT....BUT
We have to judge this document on its merits and compare it to what the alternate outcome is. I don't believe in any possible way that we would achieve another AIP for at least a year. Are the holes worth holding up for a year at the earliest? I haven't decided yet.
There should have been financial penalties associated with the Company not delivering an acceptable schedule for adhering to this contract.
BUT....BUT
We have to judge this document on its merits and compare it to what the alternate outcome is. I don't believe in any possible way that we would achieve another AIP for at least a year. Are the holes worth holding up for a year at the earliest? I haven't decided yet.
Please explain in detail what's so "scary" about the LOA. I'd love to hear it. Two of the biggest desires of the company are held back until basically LCR and redeye protections in Section 12 are implemented. For the record, Sabre was given a laundry list of items and requests of how long to turn on, they gave us times on almost all but could not reasonably pinpoint a few.....hence the backstop date of Dec 2019.
The company fought for years to lessen the grip of the Return to OSP language, which is by far industry leading. Also, the company has a strong desire to fly to Europe, so Section 14 is extremely important to them. Both of those items are restricted until ALL of our stuff we want is turned on.
07-19-2018 | 08:40 PM
#23
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I would've been ****ed if the mec withheld this from my vote and didnt give me and my wife the opportunity to look at it. not only gains in all cornerstones, but top of the industry in job protection, more time off, etc. meanwhile im making less than our fellow pilots at spirit and hanging out with frontier at the bottom of the industry. no thanks. not voting out of fear here.
07-19-2018 | 09:14 PM
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Positive Contact: When a Pilot and Crew Services speak on a recorded line or when two-way communication occurs between a Pilot and Crew Services via JETCRW.
The Pilot has to acknowledge the assignment on JETCRW, scheduling can't just push it to JETCRW and say good enough.....must be acknowledged.
The Pilot has to acknowledge the assignment on JETCRW, scheduling can't just push it to JETCRW and say good enough.....must be acknowledged.
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07-19-2018 | 09:16 PM
#25
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Please explain in detail what's so "scary" about the LOA. I'd love to hear it. Two of the biggest desires of the company are held back until basically LCR and redeye protections in Section 12 are implemented. For the record, Sabre was given a laundry list of items and requests of how long to turn on, they gave us times on almost all but could not reasonably pinpoint a few.....hence the backstop date of Dec 2019.
The company fought for years to lessen the grip of the Return to OSP language, which is by far industry leading. Also, the company has a strong desire to fly to Europe, so Section 14 is extremely important to them. Both of those items are restricted until ALL of our stuff we want is turned on.
The company fought for years to lessen the grip of the Return to OSP language, which is by far industry leading. Also, the company has a strong desire to fly to Europe, so Section 14 is extremely important to them. Both of those items are restricted until ALL of our stuff we want is turned on.
Now is the time to demand treatment as a professional.
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07-20-2018 | 03:48 AM
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Positive Contact: When a Pilot and Crew Services speak on a recorded line or when two-way communication occurs between a Pilot and Crew Services via JETCRW.
The Pilot has to acknowledge the assignment on JETCRW, scheduling can't just push it to JETCRW and say good enough.....must be acknowledged.
The Pilot has to acknowledge the assignment on JETCRW, scheduling can't just push it to JETCRW and say good enough.....must be acknowledged.
Missed it? Sleeping? Dropped by cell network? Jet crew app misbehaving?
TOO BAD. The clock is now ticking on your report. They attempted PC.
Read. The. Contract.
The call-out period for a Short Call Reserve shall be no less than two
hours and thirty minutes (2:30) from the initial Positive Contact attempt.
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07-20-2018 | 05:17 AM
#28
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From: Airbus Capt
Exept when on reserve. The clock starts when your phone chimes. *Ding* at 3 am.
Missed it? Sleeping? Dropped by cell network? Jet crew app misbehaving?
TOO BAD. The clock is now ticking on your report. They attempted PC.
Read. The. Contract.
The call-out period for a Short Call Reserve shall be no less than two
hours and thirty minutes (2:30) from the initial Positive Contact attempt.
Missed it? Sleeping? Dropped by cell network? Jet crew app misbehaving?
TOO BAD. The clock is now ticking on your report. They attempted PC.
Read. The. Contract.
The call-out period for a Short Call Reserve shall be no less than two
hours and thirty minutes (2:30) from the initial Positive Contact attempt.
07-20-2018 | 05:38 AM
#29
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Notification of Assignment
a. The Company shall notify a Reserve Pilot of a Pairing assignment via
JETCRW at the time the Pairing is placed on the Pilot’s schedule. For Pairing assignments made after the DRO has been published, if a Pilot has not acknowledged the assignment at the applicable Reserve callout time,
the Company shall establish Positive Contact.
I think the positive contact “attempt” only comes into play if you don’t answer your phone, like it is today. That being said, it’s not crystal clear and I wouldn’t be surprised by anything this company tries.
a. The Company shall notify a Reserve Pilot of a Pairing assignment via
JETCRW at the time the Pairing is placed on the Pilot’s schedule. For Pairing assignments made after the DRO has been published, if a Pilot has not acknowledged the assignment at the applicable Reserve callout time,
the Company shall establish Positive Contact.
I think the positive contact “attempt” only comes into play if you don’t answer your phone, like it is today. That being said, it’s not crystal clear and I wouldn’t be surprised by anything this company tries.
07-20-2018 | 05:49 AM
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