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07-27-2018, 07:33 AM
#11
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
You vote No Bd?
I discussed my concerns about specific provisions here and with reps openly, and I feel we could have possibly (maybe, maybe not) pushed harder in May for additional value, but ultimately since "going back to May and staying at the table" isn't on the ballet, I thought YES was the best option considering all "likely outcomes" of YES or NO.
I trust our union officials, but don't trust this company or a VERY large proportion of this pilot group.
Don't care if that offends anyone, it's just reality. Too many of our guys lick windows and eat boogers and actually EXPECT to make less than our peers. Can't win a war with a "special" army.
With that said, we have some good provisions in the CBA and in one single contract at least moved into the bottom of the top tier of airline CBAs (we absolutely deserve to be in the top tier). Those other CBAs have been the result of decades of cumulative iterations and improvements.
So, we are now in 7th out of the 9 companies I consider carreer companies (Delta, United, American, Southwest, FedEx, UPS(first 6 not in order), JetBlue, Alaska,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Spirit(sorry Spirit, not a great contract).
07-27-2018, 07:43 AM
#13
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 312
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I voted YES.
I discussed my concerns about specific provisions here and with reps openly, and I feel we could have possibly (maybe, maybe not) pushed harder in May for additional value, but ultimately since "going back to May and staying at the table" isn't on the ballet, I thought YES was the best option considering all "likely outcomes" of YES or NO.
I discussed my concerns about specific provisions here and with reps openly, and I feel we could have possibly (maybe, maybe not) pushed harder in May for additional value, but ultimately since "going back to May and staying at the table" isn't on the ballet, I thought YES was the best option considering all "likely outcomes" of YES or NO.
07-27-2018, 07:50 AM
#14
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by MGMTiswatchingU
This is more of a surprise to me than the results of the TA hahahhaa.
There are those who want everyone to vote YES and have been sweeping everything under the rug that is a valid concern. They don't want to acknowledge the low points or where we are potentially exposed to harm.
There are NO voters doing the opposite.
I prefer to at least acknowledge and discuss the weak points of the CBA, that way if we all know what they are and can live with them, so be it.
I hope this union learned they need to call for a "labor dispute" much sooner next time and I hope this pilot group has learned what a labor dispute means...
There's a reason it took so many years for JB to negotiate in good faith, and we are the reason.
07-27-2018, 08:06 AM
#17
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by zulu99
That’s amazing news......we are totally screwed.
This should go well when we start negotiating again...
See you here in 7 years when we debate another bottom of our peers TA.
"But it's such an improvement from where we are NOW!"
Earnings that quarter will suck.
New Airplanes/routes will be announced.
So predictable.
07-27-2018, 08:09 AM
#18
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: JetRight, JetLeft
Posts: 760
Originally Posted by seekingblue
Hope we can find our way back to being a united pilot group. No more infighting- I hope.
Maybe I could be junior (or senior) to myself!😀
Gup
GP
07-27-2018, 08:21 AM
#20
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 312
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I voted YES.
I discussed my concerns about specific provisions here and with reps openly, and I feel we could have possibly (maybe, maybe not) pushed harder in May for additional value, but ultimately since "going back to May and staying at the table" isn't on the ballet, I thought YES was the best option considering all "likely outcomes" of YES or NO.
I trust our union officials, but don't trust this company or a VERY large proportion of this pilot group.
Don't care if that offends anyone, it's just reality. Too many of our guys lick windows and eat boogers and actually EXPECT to make less than our peers. Can't win a war with a "special" army.
With that said, we have some good provisions in the CBA and in one single contract at least moved into the bottom of the top tier of airline CBAs (we absolutely deserve to be in the top tier). Those other CBAs have been the result of decades of cumulative iterations and improvements.
So, we are now in 7th out of the 9 companies I consider carreer companies (Delta, United, American, Southwest, FedEx, UPS(first 6 not in order), JetBlue, Alaska,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Spirit(sorry Spirit, not a great contract).
I discussed my concerns about specific provisions here and with reps openly, and I feel we could have possibly (maybe, maybe not) pushed harder in May for additional value, but ultimately since "going back to May and staying at the table" isn't on the ballet, I thought YES was the best option considering all "likely outcomes" of YES or NO.
I trust our union officials, but don't trust this company or a VERY large proportion of this pilot group.
Don't care if that offends anyone, it's just reality. Too many of our guys lick windows and eat boogers and actually EXPECT to make less than our peers. Can't win a war with a "special" army.
With that said, we have some good provisions in the CBA and in one single contract at least moved into the bottom of the top tier of airline CBAs (we absolutely deserve to be in the top tier). Those other CBAs have been the result of decades of cumulative iterations and improvements.
So, we are now in 7th out of the 9 companies I consider carreer companies (Delta, United, American, Southwest, FedEx, UPS(first 6 not in order), JetBlue, Alaska,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Spirit(sorry Spirit, not a great contract).
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