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Old 07-27-2018 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
So if you agree to work for a company who has a group of pilots who agree to bottom tier wages and work conditions what does that make you? How in this enviroment to you vote for a contract this lacking and knowing full well the bar will be moved ever higher by 3 other groups in the next 1-2 years?
“This lacking”

Is it? Sure there are some parts that are not perfect but you (Mr Fedex)
are being a little hyperbolic.

But yeah I guess all of us that work here and the ones who voted yes are bottom tier. Thank you for showing us where we stand. Don’t worry there are plenty on this forum that will happily agree with you.
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Old 07-27-2018 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Brickhut
Not sure what the hell you're on about. The undocumented Mexican immigrant that just did the drywall in my basement remodel has more "skill" in his foreskin than ANY Airbus pilot. The most difficult part of our jobs is retaining our damn 1st class medical every 6 months. You know that, I know that, and the rest of us know that. Fact. Not up for debate.

I wasn't talking about compensation. My point was only that any one who refers to themselves as "We are not average citizens. We are extremely specialized, highly trained" probably is the type of guy/gal that wears full uniform to run errands. Period.

Obviously, you wear yours to family photos, and your wife's friend's Halloween party. But, hey, you're not average. You're special.
Well, I hope you never get hired here. It sounds like you min-run this profession and have very little General knowledge.

Myself, I have millions of dollars of military training, and instructing, including safety school (accident investigation), and a highly technical degree from one of the best universities in the world.

I know these attributes bring an extra layer of safety. Although 99% of the time it's SOP and nothing crazy happens, with my training and experience I feel very confident in my abilities to handle any "handleable" situation.

But it's cool if your skills put you below someone hanging drywall. Just please don't fly my family around.
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Old 07-27-2018 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Well, I hope you never get hired here. It sounds like you min-run this profession and have very little General knowledge.

Myself, I have millions of dollars of military training, and instructing, including safety school (accident investigation), and a highly technical degree from one of the best universities in the world.

I know these attributes bring an extra layer of safety. Although 99% of the time it's SOP and nothing crazy happens, with my training and experience I feel very confident in my abilities to handle any "handleable" situation.

But it's cool if your skills put you below someone hanging drywall. Just please don't fly my family around.
All that and the best you could manage was BJ? Jeez Sully Yeagerberger-Armstrong, I guess I should worry about you flying my family around. What portion of the cognitive test at Delta did you fail?

*edit* Found it.

http://digg.com/video/man-cannot-fit-bag-overhead-bin
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Old 07-27-2018 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Brickhut
All that and the best you could manage was BJ? Jeez Sully Yeagerberger-Armstrong, I guess I should worry about you flying my family around. What portion of the cognitive test at Delta did you fail?

*edit* Found it.

Flight Attendant Helps A Man Fit His Carry-On In The Overhead Bin With One Painfully Obvious Solution - Digg
It's actually a pretty standard resume from a former military pilot. Maybe you should take some online classes, or crack open a book.

Perhaps if you didn't set the bar so low for yourself you would stop setting it so low for the rest of us.
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Old 07-27-2018 | 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Brickhut
Ok, Ok, you're right; you ARE special.
More special than your drywall guy.
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Old 07-28-2018 | 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
It's actually a pretty standard resume from a former military pilot. Maybe you should take some online classes, or crack open a book.

Perhaps if you didn't set the bar so low for yourself you would stop setting it so low for the rest of us.
Your screen name is "PasserOGas". You either have the comical depth of a piece of rice paper, or you drove a 135/10. Either way, when you're straightening your tie on morning 3 of your next 4-day, please realize that you're (we're) not special people, no matter what our past training may be. We're professional button-pushers that have lost any and all flying skill we may have once possessed due to the fact that we made a choice to fly FiFi.

If only, in all your highly skilled training, you would've paid a little more attention in "Reading Comprehension 101", you would know that my posts have had ZERO to do with "setting the bar low" and EVERYTHING to do with correlating self perception to wearing your uniform in public because it makes you feel neat, you'd then realize I still want LeBron compensation for WalMart greeter effort.

So when you're at the next lobby bar, in you're braided leather belt and white New Balance shoes, and the hot 30-something at the bar asks what you do for a living, tell the truth-"I'm a systems integration tech with Honeywell/Thales." You'll still almost get laid. But with integrity.
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Old 07-28-2018 | 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Brickhut
Your screen name is "PasserOGas". You either have the comical depth of a piece of rice paper, or you drove a 135/10. Either way, when you're straightening your tie on morning 3 of your next 4-day, please realize that you're (we're) not special people, no matter what our past training may be. We're professional button-pushers that have lost any and all flying skill we may have once possessed due to the fact that we made a choice to fly FiFi.

If only, in all your highly skilled training, you would've paid a little more attention in "Reading Comprehension 101", you would know that my posts have had ZERO to do with "setting the bar low" and EVERYTHING to do with correlating self perception to wearing your uniform in public because it makes you feel neat, you'd then realize I still want LeBron compensation for WalMart greeter effort.

So when you're at the next lobby bar, in you're braided leather belt and white New Balance shoes, and the hot 30-something at the bar asks what you do for a living, tell the truth-"I'm a systems integration tech with Honeywell/Thales." You'll still almost get laid. But with integrity.
Until something goes wrong. But that won't satisfy you.

Let's not forget about the decision making aspect of the job. You think your drywall installer has as many expensive, high risk problems thrown at him as we do? And how many volumes of regulations and manuals must Pepe integrate in dynamic situations in order to bring about a safe and efficient outcome? How much training did Pepe receive before he could hang dry wall? How many people could die if he does it wrong?

I am starting to seriously doubt that you are a pilot.
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Old 07-28-2018 | 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Until something goes wrong. But that won't satisfy you.

Let's not forget about the decision making aspect of the job. You think your drywall installer has as many expensive, high risk problems thrown at him as we do? And how many volumes of regulations and manuals must Pepe integrate in dynamic situations in order to bring about a safe and efficient outcome? How much training did Pepe receive before he could hang dry wall? How many people could die if he does it wrong?

I am starting to seriously doubt that you are a pilot.
It's Juan, show some damn respect!

And it could be a family of four, or it could be the Krystal Grand in MMUN with 2000 guests!

You think when Juan has an emergency, he has an ECAM pop up telling him what to do? You think Juan can flip through a QRH when temps are drying out joint compound faster than he can lay it on, or if his stilt comes undone while hes "mustache up" during a complicated ceiling splay? You don't know what pressure is, Gasman.
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Old 07-28-2018 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Until something goes wrong. But that won't satisfy you.

Let's not forget about the decision making aspect of the job. You think your drywall installer has as many expensive, high risk problems thrown at him as we do? And how many volumes of regulations and manuals must Pepe integrate in dynamic situations in order to bring about a safe and efficient outcome? How much training did Pepe receive before he could hang dry wall? How many people could die if he does it wrong?

I am starting to seriously doubt that you are a pilot.
People that equate autopilot to pilots not having skills are usually people trying to frame a narrative to intentionally devalue the profession for their own gain.

99% of the job is decision making. That’s what we are trained for. Many of us think the job is easy. Highly skilled professionals usually do. They are experts at their craft. The guy that delivered my two kids thinks his job is easy too. That doesn’t mean I think he should make less because the average American makes 1/10th what he does or that the average American should be delivering my kids into the world. I’m sure he agrees when he sends the insurance company the bill.

Point being just because you think something is easy doesn’t mean it is. It means you’re an expert in your field
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Old 07-28-2018 | 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
People that equate autopilot to pilots not having skills are usually people trying to frame a narrative to intentionally devalue the profession for their own gain.

99% of the job is decision making. That’s what we are trained for. Many of us think the job is easy. Highly skilled professionals usually do. They are experts at their craft. The guy that delivered my two kids thinks his job is easy too. That doesn’t mean I think he should make less because the average American makes 1/10th what he does or that the average American should be delivering my kids into the world. I’m sure he agrees when he sends the insurance company the bill.

Point being just because you think something is easy doesn’t mean it is. It means you’re an expert in your field
Much the same as the Quiznos Sandwich Artist in JAX. Got in too late for dinner and woke up too early for bfast. By the time I'd arrived in JAX for our 45 minute turn, I was so hAngry, I could've eaten my foot rest. Being 7th in line, she picks me out of the crowd and takes my order. At that moment she became worthy of Bourdain/Fierri/Corra compensation. She was the most important chef on the planet to me at that moment. 7 minutes and $8.73 later, I was the happiest, most satisfied little airbus pilot in the world.

She thought her job was easy.

She saved 186 passengers' lives that day.
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