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07-27-2018, 08:29 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by MGMTiswatchingU
Your tone towards the TA echoed a strong NO that's why. But I agree with you to be knowledgeable and highlight/discuss the shortcomings.
07-27-2018, 09:08 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: fifi whisperer
Posts: 1,255
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Wow, the stock is on a tear. Wall Street must really love ou CBA for some reason. I have no idea why that would be since it's sooooo good.
07-27-2018, 09:13 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 13
Originally Posted by seekingblue
Actually, our stock is up a whopping .02c/share today. I think Wall Street likes our CBA, because it stabilizes our pilot costs— the actual cost of the CBA doesn’t matter just as long as it’s in place.
Agreed. It was all pretty much priced in. There are bigger issues Wall Street should be worried about regarding JBLU.
07-27-2018, 02:10 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 3,395
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Great news! A bottom feeding contract passed by a large margin!
Your new contract would give me a $57,000 raise, increase my per diem by .40, pay for my medical and global entry, participate in profit sharing, provide scope protection, average duty period guarantee, cheaper health insurance and double my retirement contributions!
So.... have a little perspective. You aren't going to be the highest compensated pilots in the country, but you are close. Find some satisfaction in your job and benefits that vastly exceed almost every other employee in the country. The average salary in the US is $51,000. The average 401(k) match in the us is 2.7%, you get 15% with no match required. The average salary with 10 to 19 years of work experience and a Master's degree is $99,000. Every single pilot at JetBlue will exceed that, and with more than double the retirement contributions.
Feel free to tell me that I'm what's dragging this industry down, I understand that mentality. I understand pattern bargaining. I understand that you get what you negotiate and not what you are worth. However, we (Frontier) aren't even ASKING for a contract as good as you got. Our initial ask is less then you got, and no doubt that we end up with will be less. So, stop with the "bottom feeder" crap.
07-27-2018, 02:19 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 783
Originally Posted by Aero1900
You are entitled to that opinion. However, I am entitled to point out some perspective. I am senior a Frontier FO.
Your new contract would give me a $57,000 raise, increase my per diem by .40, pay for my medical and global entry, participate in profit sharing, provide scope protection, average duty period guarantee, cheaper health insurance and double my retirement contributions!
So.... have a little perspective. You aren't going to be the highest compensated pilots in the country, but you are close. Find some satisfaction in your job and benefits that vastly exceed almost every other employee in the country. The average salary in the US is $51,000. The average 401(k) match in the us is 2.7%, you get 15% with no match required. The average salary with 10 to 19 years of work experience and a Master's degree is $99,000. Every single pilot at JetBlue will exceed that, and with more than double the retirement contributions.
Feel free to tell me that I'm what's dragging this industry down, I understand that mentality. I understand pattern bargaining. I understand that you get what you negotiate and not what you are worth. However, we (Frontier) aren't even ASKING for a contract as good as you got. Our initial ask is less then you got, and no doubt that we end up with will be less. So, stop with the "bottom feeder" crap.
Your new contract would give me a $57,000 raise, increase my per diem by .40, pay for my medical and global entry, participate in profit sharing, provide scope protection, average duty period guarantee, cheaper health insurance and double my retirement contributions!
So.... have a little perspective. You aren't going to be the highest compensated pilots in the country, but you are close. Find some satisfaction in your job and benefits that vastly exceed almost every other employee in the country. The average salary in the US is $51,000. The average 401(k) match in the us is 2.7%, you get 15% with no match required. The average salary with 10 to 19 years of work experience and a Master's degree is $99,000. Every single pilot at JetBlue will exceed that, and with more than double the retirement contributions.
Feel free to tell me that I'm what's dragging this industry down, I understand that mentality. I understand pattern bargaining. I understand that you get what you negotiate and not what you are worth. However, we (Frontier) aren't even ASKING for a contract as good as you got. Our initial ask is less then you got, and no doubt that we end up with will be less. So, stop with the "bottom feeder" crap.
07-27-2018, 02:54 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 3,395
Originally Posted by Aquaticus
And your mentality is what is killing your pilot groups ability to negotiate.
That being said, I do understand your point and try to be concious of it all the time. Regarding your contract, what's done is done. Be happy that you got a significant improvements and your airlines first contract. I hope you can all find happiness and make peace with your cba.
If we have future picketing events, please come support Frontier pilots. We'd love to have you there.
07-27-2018, 04:22 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Posts: 465
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Great news! A bottom feeding contract passed by a large margin!
I’ve seen you post things similar to this multiple times. Do you feel that the contract comparison guide that the union put out and the presentations that they made were lying?
07-27-2018, 04:31 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 224
Originally Posted by Aero1900
You are entitled to that opinion. However, I am entitled to point out some perspective. I am senior a Frontier FO.
Your new contract would give me a $57,000 raise, increase my per diem by .40, pay for my medical and global entry, participate in profit sharing, provide scope protection, average duty period guarantee, cheaper health insurance and double my retirement contributions!
So.... have a little perspective. You aren't going to be the highest compensated pilots in the country, but you are close. Find some satisfaction in your job and benefits that vastly exceed almost every other employee in the country. The average salary in the US is $51,000. The average 401(k) match in the us is 2.7%, you get 15% with no match required. The average salary with 10 to 19 years of work experience and a Master's degree is $99,000. Every single pilot at JetBlue will exceed that, and with more than double the retirement contributions.
Feel free to tell me that I'm what's dragging this industry down, I understand that mentality. I understand pattern bargaining. I understand that you get what you negotiate and not what you are worth. However, we (Frontier) aren't even ASKING for a contract as good as you got. Our initial ask is less then you got, and no doubt that we end up with will be less. So, stop with the "bottom feeder" crap.
Your new contract would give me a $57,000 raise, increase my per diem by .40, pay for my medical and global entry, participate in profit sharing, provide scope protection, average duty period guarantee, cheaper health insurance and double my retirement contributions!
So.... have a little perspective. You aren't going to be the highest compensated pilots in the country, but you are close. Find some satisfaction in your job and benefits that vastly exceed almost every other employee in the country. The average salary in the US is $51,000. The average 401(k) match in the us is 2.7%, you get 15% with no match required. The average salary with 10 to 19 years of work experience and a Master's degree is $99,000. Every single pilot at JetBlue will exceed that, and with more than double the retirement contributions.
Feel free to tell me that I'm what's dragging this industry down, I understand that mentality. I understand pattern bargaining. I understand that you get what you negotiate and not what you are worth. However, we (Frontier) aren't even ASKING for a contract as good as you got. Our initial ask is less then you got, and no doubt that we end up with will be less. So, stop with the "bottom feeder" crap.
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