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07-27-2018, 04:36 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: fifi whisperer
Posts: 1,255
Originally Posted by Aquaticus
And your mentality is what is killing your pilot groups ability to negotiate. You aren't the "average" American. You are tasked with making life and death decisions with millions of liability on the line. Not many people could do what you make seem easy to do. JetBlue hires about 50% of every newhire class that is otherwise unhireable by other airlines to keep this mentality alive and well.
Say what you want about the contract, but Don’t attack the people coming here. They are doing what is right for their family.
07-27-2018, 04:47 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by seekingblue
Don’t blame the jr guys. I won’t stand for it.
Say what you want about the contract, but Don’t attack the people coming here. They are doing what is right for their family.
Say what you want about the contract, but Don’t attack the people coming here. They are doing what is right for their family.
We just voted in a contract and still we are full of self loathing.
That is what they hire. I don’t bash our guys much and I get annoyed to read “stupid pilot group” or whatever but man do we have a bunch of eeyores here.
07-27-2018, 04:51 PM
#33
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Great news! A bottom feeding contract passed by a large margin!
This should go well when we start negotiating again...
See you here in 7 years when we debate another bottom of our peers TA.
"But it's such an improvement from where we are NOW!"
Earnings that quarter will suck.
New Airplanes/routes will be announced.
So predictable.
This should go well when we start negotiating again...
See you here in 7 years when we debate another bottom of our peers TA.
"But it's such an improvement from where we are NOW!"
Earnings that quarter will suck.
New Airplanes/routes will be announced.
So predictable.
07-27-2018, 04:56 PM
#34
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 453
Originally Posted by Aero1900
You are entitled to that opinion. However, I am entitled to point out some perspective. I am senior a Frontier FO.
Your new contract would give me a $57,000 raise, increase my per diem by .40, pay for my medical and global entry, participate in profit sharing, provide scope protection, average duty period guarantee, cheaper health insurance and double my retirement contributions!
So.... have a little perspective. You aren't going to be the highest compensated pilots in the country, but you are close. Find some satisfaction in your job and benefits that vastly exceed almost every other employee in the country. The average salary in the US is $51,000. The average 401(k) match in the us is 2.7%, you get 15% with no match required. The average salary with 10 to 19 years of work experience and a Master's degree is $99,000. Every single pilot at JetBlue will exceed that, and with more than double the retirement contributions.
Feel free to tell me that I'm what's dragging this industry down, I understand that mentality. I understand pattern bargaining. I understand that you get what you negotiate and not what you are worth. However, we (Frontier) aren't even ASKING for a contract as good as you got. Our initial ask is less then you got, and no doubt that we end up with will be less. So, stop with the "bottom feeder" crap.
Your new contract would give me a $57,000 raise, increase my per diem by .40, pay for my medical and global entry, participate in profit sharing, provide scope protection, average duty period guarantee, cheaper health insurance and double my retirement contributions!
So.... have a little perspective. You aren't going to be the highest compensated pilots in the country, but you are close. Find some satisfaction in your job and benefits that vastly exceed almost every other employee in the country. The average salary in the US is $51,000. The average 401(k) match in the us is 2.7%, you get 15% with no match required. The average salary with 10 to 19 years of work experience and a Master's degree is $99,000. Every single pilot at JetBlue will exceed that, and with more than double the retirement contributions.
Feel free to tell me that I'm what's dragging this industry down, I understand that mentality. I understand pattern bargaining. I understand that you get what you negotiate and not what you are worth. However, we (Frontier) aren't even ASKING for a contract as good as you got. Our initial ask is less then you got, and no doubt that we end up with will be less. So, stop with the "bottom feeder" crap.
07-27-2018, 05:23 PM
#35
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Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 294
Originally Posted by therapysession
Great post Aero.
Not advocating such a thing. But a couple of disenfranchised crews could bring the world economy to a halt.
You pay top dollar, you attract top talent.
Only comparison are oil tanker crews. And see what massive disasters some of them have caused because their companies pay peanuts.
07-27-2018, 05:59 PM
#36
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,138
Originally Posted by Aero1900
You are entitled to that opinion. However, I am entitled to point out some perspective. I am senior a Frontier FO.
Your new contract would give me a $57,000 raise, increase my per diem by .40, pay for my medical and global entry, participate in profit sharing, provide scope protection, average duty period guarantee, cheaper health insurance and double my retirement contributions!
So.... have a little perspective. You aren't going to be the highest compensated pilots in the country, but you are close. Find some satisfaction in your job and benefits that vastly exceed almost every other employee in the country. The average salary in the US is $51,000. The average 401(k) match in the us is 2.7%, you get 15% with no match required. The average salary with 10 to 19 years of work experience and a Master's degree is $99,000. Every single pilot at JetBlue will exceed that, and with more than double the retirement contributions.
Feel free to tell me that I'm what's dragging this industry down, I understand that mentality. I understand pattern bargaining. I understand that you get what you negotiate and not what you are worth. However, we (Frontier) aren't even ASKING for a contract as good as you got. Our initial ask is less then you got, and no doubt that we end up with will be less. So, stop with the "bottom feeder" crap.
Your new contract would give me a $57,000 raise, increase my per diem by .40, pay for my medical and global entry, participate in profit sharing, provide scope protection, average duty period guarantee, cheaper health insurance and double my retirement contributions!
So.... have a little perspective. You aren't going to be the highest compensated pilots in the country, but you are close. Find some satisfaction in your job and benefits that vastly exceed almost every other employee in the country. The average salary in the US is $51,000. The average 401(k) match in the us is 2.7%, you get 15% with no match required. The average salary with 10 to 19 years of work experience and a Master's degree is $99,000. Every single pilot at JetBlue will exceed that, and with more than double the retirement contributions.
Feel free to tell me that I'm what's dragging this industry down, I understand that mentality. I understand pattern bargaining. I understand that you get what you negotiate and not what you are worth. However, we (Frontier) aren't even ASKING for a contract as good as you got. Our initial ask is less then you got, and no doubt that we end up with will be less. So, stop with the "bottom feeder" crap.
07-27-2018, 06:13 PM
#37
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Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 1,838
Originally Posted by seekingblue
Don’t blame the jr guys. I won’t stand for it.
Say what you want about the contract, but Don’t attack the people coming here. They are doing what is right for their family.
Say what you want about the contract, but Don’t attack the people coming here. They are doing what is right for their family.
07-27-2018, 06:17 PM
#38
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 313
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
Why are you comparing pilots to the rest of society? We are not average citizens. We are extremely specialized, highly trained and we fight to be compensated as such
07-27-2018, 07:28 PM
#40
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by Brickhut
You wear you epaulets and tie to the grocery store, don't you?
We are talking about PILOT compensation. I literally don't care what non-pilots make. Not relevant. I expect to be compensated comparable to MY peers.
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