So much for "industry leading" pairings.
08-30-2018, 06:43 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
This next month is going to be terrible. Why anyone has any faith in this company or cba is sad... the first time this new cba has its chance to show the industry leading language it has, it fails miserably.
08-30-2018, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LoudFastRules
Hmmm. We had this neat thing negotiated, called a CBA. You'd think they would have maybe addressed this issue with some industry standard (some have, some don't) language, like pilots will CONTINUE to build the pairings - just like they have been.
Ya know, when all this "Industry leading pairing language" malarky was being thrown irresponsibly around, I pretty much assumed it meant that we were re-assuming the responsibility of building the pairings ourselves.
Without that ability, the language is meaningless and worthless. Putting extreme outer boundaries on the ********y things ********y people can do to us by treating us like ****** is not exactly something to celebrate as "industry-leading".
AND YES: I did emphasize that pilots building pairings was one of my top priorities in all surveys and communications with reps.
As a life-long union member, I am sorry to say that ALPA totally screwed the pooch on this issue.
Ya know, when all this "Industry leading pairing language" malarky was being thrown irresponsibly around, I pretty much assumed it meant that we were re-assuming the responsibility of building the pairings ourselves.
Without that ability, the language is meaningless and worthless. Putting extreme outer boundaries on the ********y things ********y people can do to us by treating us like ****** is not exactly something to celebrate as "industry-leading".
AND YES: I did emphasize that pilots building pairings was one of my top priorities in all surveys and communications with reps.
As a life-long union member, I am sorry to say that ALPA totally screwed the pooch on this issue.
08-30-2018, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
No, we want a good contract. Guess that’s asking too much.
What did you expect? They cant even cater airplanes.
08-30-2018, 07:02 PM
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This entire discussion has ZERO to do with the cba.
The pairing protections in our CBA are absolutely industry leading. Full stop.
Now if you think the company taking over the pairing build and just the general adjustment to the new CBA will take a while for everyone to figure out, then yes I agree with you. Will there be a few months of growing pains on the companies side AND our side? Of course.
Good deals went away, new good deals will arise. Seniority strategies will adjust and everyone will settle into the new rules.
New rules, new game to be figured out.
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The pairing protections in our CBA are absolutely industry leading. Full stop.
Now if you think the company taking over the pairing build and just the general adjustment to the new CBA will take a while for everyone to figure out, then yes I agree with you. Will there be a few months of growing pains on the companies side AND our side? Of course.
Good deals went away, new good deals will arise. Seniority strategies will adjust and everyone will settle into the new rules.
New rules, new game to be figured out.
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08-30-2018, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
This entire discussion has ZERO to do with the cba.
The pairing protections in our CBA are absolutely industry leading. Full stop.
Now if you think the company taking over the pairing build and just the general adjustment to the new CBA will take a while for everyone to figure out, then yes I agree with you. Will there be a few months of growing pains on the companies side AND our side? Of course.
Good deals went away, new good deals will arise. Seniority strategies will adjust and everyone will settle into the new rules.
New rules, new game to be figured out.
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The pairing protections in our CBA are absolutely industry leading. Full stop.
Now if you think the company taking over the pairing build and just the general adjustment to the new CBA will take a while for everyone to figure out, then yes I agree with you. Will there be a few months of growing pains on the companies side AND our side? Of course.
Good deals went away, new good deals will arise. Seniority strategies will adjust and everyone will settle into the new rules.
New rules, new game to be figured out.
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08-30-2018, 07:30 PM
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Max connect times
Max segments
No more duty periods than days
Commutable pairing requirements(no one has these)
Pairing distribution(huge, no one else has this)
AVL(affects pairing build)
TLV restrictions(changes pairing build)
Min duty AND min day both
New day at 0100(best by a long shot)
All of these thing have an affect on what types of pairings the company builds.
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Max segments
No more duty periods than days
Commutable pairing requirements(no one has these)
Pairing distribution(huge, no one else has this)
AVL(affects pairing build)
TLV restrictions(changes pairing build)
Min duty AND min day both
New day at 0100(best by a long shot)
All of these thing have an affect on what types of pairings the company builds.
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