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01-18-2019, 04:53 AM

#31

hilltopflyer

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Originally Posted by pilotpayne

Correct. Now interesting thing is the FA jumpseat is by pilot seniority as well. I’m not sure I agree with that one. Especially after missing a commute that’s to a guy helping out the company and than taking the FA jumpseat to get back home. Oh well.

Captain shoulda stepped in and said no way.

01-18-2019, 05:56 AM

#32

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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer

Captain shoulda stepped in and said no way.

Nope it’s in the book we looked. Nothing I could do. FA seat also goes by seniority.

01-18-2019, 06:41 AM

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There will be far fewer cabin jumpseats on the reconfigured planes too. Also deadheaders should be aware of who is waiting for a jumpseat before they give up their cabin seat to a non employee.

Its still easier to commute on B6 flights compared to most airlines thanks to not overbooking everything. But don't forget to help clean!

01-18-2019, 06:47 AM

#34

hilltopflyer

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Originally Posted by pilotpayne

Nope it’s in the book we looked. Nothing I could do. FA seat also goes by seniority.

But he was helping the company? Guessing it was a deadheader who gave up his seat to Jumpseat. That’s very very poor etiquette. Captain should have discouraged him or at least not let him sit there. It is captains choice as well. His plane.

01-18-2019, 09:22 AM

#35

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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer

No he flew the plane up from DCA they called him and he turned around to commute back. Another senior guy showed up as well and there went the two jumpseats. I knew the pilot seat was seniority as it should be but so is the FA jumpseat. I just don’t see how that is right. But I was able to get on the next flight. It’s literally the 2nd time in 7.5 years that I didn’t get on so no big deal. I just thought it was interesting. You can’t beat the book it is what it is.

01-18-2019, 11:05 AM

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IrishNJ

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Originally Posted by queue

Regardless of what lie or half truth the chief pilots put out, if you are going to work and you clean, your duty starts then, not at report time. That is the LAW and you are legally liable. It's your license, not JBs. JB is not liable for your breaking the FARs, regardless of what "policies" they have. The FAA put out their legal interpretation and it does not favor JBs practices. They are counting on your ignorance. Clean, but duty on early and screw up your pairing. It's the law.

Thank you for correctly outlining the current FAA legal interpretation. The misleading comms that have been sent to us by our management in an effort to confuse the issue could get someone in hot water with the FAA.

If you clean on your commute into work then you are on duty from that moment. Required work = on duty. All it takes is one deadheading/flying pilot who sees you cleaning and might be concerned about your level of fatigue to check your schedule and call the FAA if you didn't call CS to start your duty.
https://www3.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx...%3D&tabid=9042

01-18-2019, 06:40 PM

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Southerner

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Originally Posted by IrishNJ

I'm not sure that's a hill that you want to die on. The FAA pretty much turns a blind eye to commuting, and says "I don't care what you do, just be fit for duty when you report for work." If we start making a stink about this, it is very possible that the company AND FAA come back and say "Fine. You must commute in with legal rest prior to reporting for duty."

01-19-2019, 04:21 AM

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CaptCoolHand

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Originally Posted by Bluetruth

There is no reason to ever take a js if you are DHing.

01-19-2019, 04:42 AM

#39

hilltopflyer

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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand

There is no reason to ever take a js if you are DHing.

Amen. Unless my wife is getting on then I beg you too

01-19-2019, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand

There is no reason to ever take a js if you are DHing.

99% of the time yes. But there’s always exceptions to the rule. For example a jetblue pilot out on medical leave cannot jumpseat. If it means getting that pilot on then I’ll take the jumpseat.