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01-24-2019 | 09:47 AM
#51
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There can be exceptions. I did once to help out a poor girl. Original plan was operate a 2pm flight to EWR that cancelled. New plan was DH on the redeye that night. Because of the cancellation, of course the flights are oversold. For the redeye flight, I waited until all passengers were on. Then it was down to one college girl trying to get back to school and she had no seat because the last seat available was my DH seat. She needed to get back that day (and to be fair, she had booked the 2pm flight to give ample time to come back). There being no jumpseaters, I offered her my DH seat and I took one flight deck jumpseat. Everyone happy. 
01-24-2019 | 10:46 AM
#53
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01-24-2019 | 02:15 PM
#54
The REAL Bluedriver
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From: Airbus Capt
Just so its CLEAR, again for the xxxx time...
FOM 10.3.18
Page 10-39
Captains
Aircraft Cleaning: Captains are not expected to assist in light cleaning of aircraft as a core function of their duties.
FOM 10.3.19
Page 10-41
First Officers
Aircraft Cleaning: First Officers are not expected to assist in light cleaning of aircraft as a core function of their duties.
Pass riding guide
Page 24
Cleaning Expectations (thats a key word)
All Pass Riding Crewmembers whether traveling for leisure, duty(in direct contradiction to the FOM) or commuting to work are expected to assist with cleaning the aircraft to speed the turn process.... Do not delay or impede the deplaning of customers when cleaning... Crewmembers failing to assist our inflight crew may be subject to suspension or loss of pass riding privileges, for up to one year.
looking for the must? I can't find it. We also have a definition of how much is required and it's De-minimis, so while up for interpretation, you go ahead and clean as much as you think is required.
But congratulations, you were right about less aircraft than expected this year.
ex·pec·ta·tion
noun
a strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.
"reality had not lived up to expectations"
a belief that someone will or should achieve something.
Seems like we tend not to meet expectations in many aspects around here.
this
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FOM 10.3.18
Page 10-39
Captains
Aircraft Cleaning: Captains are not expected to assist in light cleaning of aircraft as a core function of their duties.
FOM 10.3.19
Page 10-41
First Officers
Aircraft Cleaning: First Officers are not expected to assist in light cleaning of aircraft as a core function of their duties.
Pass riding guide
Page 24
Cleaning Expectations (thats a key word)
All Pass Riding Crewmembers whether traveling for leisure, duty(in direct contradiction to the FOM) or commuting to work are expected to assist with cleaning the aircraft to speed the turn process.... Do not delay or impede the deplaning of customers when cleaning... Crewmembers failing to assist our inflight crew may be subject to suspension or loss of pass riding privileges, for up to one year.
looking for the must? I can't find it. We also have a definition of how much is required and it's De-minimis, so while up for interpretation, you go ahead and clean as much as you think is required.
But congratulations, you were right about less aircraft than expected this year.
ex·pec·ta·tion
noun
a strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.
"reality had not lived up to expectations"
a belief that someone will or should achieve something.
Seems like we tend not to meet expectations in many aspects around here.
this
is
not
that
hard
2. It is also in the manual that failing to clean may result in loss of travel benefits. What grounds would they have to take away your flight benefits if you only "should" (your word) clean? Because it's not "should", it's expected.
3. You are also expected to show up for your schedule on-time and you are expected to show up for your trips on a regular basis. Let me know what happens if you fail to meet those "expectations"?
Also, I believe an email recently used the word "required".
01-25-2019 | 02:36 AM
#56
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1. Show me the manual that says "should"?
2. It is also in the manual that failing to clean may result in loss of travel benefits. What grounds would they have to take away your flight benefits if you only "should" (your word) clean? Because it's not "should", it's expected.
3. You are also expected to show up for your schedule on-time and you are expected to show up for your trips on a regular basis. Let me know what happens if you fail to meet those "expectations"?
Also, I believe an email recently used the word "required".
2. It is also in the manual that failing to clean may result in loss of travel benefits. What grounds would they have to take away your flight benefits if you only "should" (your word) clean? Because it's not "should", it's expected.
3. You are also expected to show up for your schedule on-time and you are expected to show up for your trips on a regular basis. Let me know what happens if you fail to meet those "expectations"?
Also, I believe an email recently used the word "required".
2. Thanks for quoting what I wrote. The point of “should” was to address the difference in wording between will and should or required and expected. Pretty sure i covered it with the manual references if anyone is still confused. But you knew that.
3. There’s no expectation.
FOM 1.37.3 Reporting for duty
Pilots are REQUIRED to report...
So you “must” or you will find youreself in a dependability review.
Words are chosen very carefully.
Last edited by CaptCoolHand; 01-25-2019 at 02:49 AM.
01-25-2019 | 06:05 AM
#60
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Cptcoolhand is playing games with words.
From the FAM:
So according to you the FAs don't really have to clean either since they did not use the word MUST?
Its really simple. If you don't want to clean at anytime or anyplace, than negotiated it into the next contract. If you just walk off the plane after doing one row or nothing at all, you deserve to be (and I quote Johanna) reported straight to her. Argue definitions with her and see where that gets you. She will clue you into what she means by light cleaning too. No one is finished until we all are finished, so do your duty and don't leave your fellow employees with your share of it.
Having said that, the company needs to hire cleaners once and for all and end this for everyone.
From the FAM:
When working or traveling on JetBlue flights, and if time permits, all capable
Crewmembers are asked to assist with light cleaning of the aircraft.
Crewmembers are asked to assist with light cleaning of the aircraft.
Its really simple. If you don't want to clean at anytime or anyplace, than negotiated it into the next contract. If you just walk off the plane after doing one row or nothing at all, you deserve to be (and I quote Johanna) reported straight to her. Argue definitions with her and see where that gets you. She will clue you into what she means by light cleaning too. No one is finished until we all are finished, so do your duty and don't leave your fellow employees with your share of it.
Having said that, the company needs to hire cleaners once and for all and end this for everyone.
Last edited by Bluetruth; 01-25-2019 at 06:26 AM.
