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01-25-2019 | 06:13 AM
#61
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At my airline, no one jumpseats while deadheading. It's a big no-no.
01-25-2019 | 06:15 AM
#62
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From: Airbus Capt
1. Cleaning is deminimis... (from the email) it’s defined as insignificant... like profit sharing.
2. Thanks for quoting what I wrote. The point of “should” was to address the difference in wording between will and should or required and expected. Pretty sure i covered it with the manual references if anyone is still confused. But you knew that.
3. There’s no expectation.
FOM 1.37.3 Reporting for duty
Pilots are REQUIRED to report...
So you “must” or you will find youreself in a dependability review.
Words are chosen very carefully.
2. Thanks for quoting what I wrote. The point of “should” was to address the difference in wording between will and should or required and expected. Pretty sure i covered it with the manual references if anyone is still confused. But you knew that.
3. There’s no expectation.
FOM 1.37.3 Reporting for duty
Pilots are REQUIRED to report...
So you “must” or you will find youreself in a dependability review.
Words are chosen very carefully.
01-25-2019 | 06:44 AM
#63
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We can do this all day.
You clean all you want. When i pass ride, I’ll do my seat maybe my row and depart without impending the passengers deplaning process.
01-25-2019 | 07:49 AM
#64
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From: Airbus Capt
I do the same as you, but not convinced the company shares our definition of what's required. Also see WAY to many BlueJet pilots cleaning begrudgingly because of the written policy.
01-25-2019 | 09:49 AM
#65
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It’s pretty clear in the manuals to me.
01-25-2019 | 10:06 AM
#66
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From: Airbus Capt
I don't like how pilots like you and the union choose to not push back on the written policies themselves. We have MANY pilots cleaning because they are fearful of the WRITTEN POLICY. I don't like that.
Nuke the fake culture.
01-25-2019 | 10:22 AM
#67
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Cptcoolhand is playing games with words.
From the FAM:
So according to you the FAs don't really have to clean either since they did not use the word MUST?
Its really simple. If you don't want to clean at anytime or anyplace, than negotiated it into the next contract. If you just walk off the plane after doing one row or nothing at all, you deserve to be (and I quote Johanna) reported straight to her. Argue definitions with her and see where that gets you. She will clue you into what she means by light cleaning too. No one is finished until we all are finished, so do your duty and don't leave your fellow employees with your share of it.
Having said that, the company needs to hire cleaners once and for all and end this for everyone.
From the FAM:
So according to you the FAs don't really have to clean either since they did not use the word MUST?
Its really simple. If you don't want to clean at anytime or anyplace, than negotiated it into the next contract. If you just walk off the plane after doing one row or nothing at all, you deserve to be (and I quote Johanna) reported straight to her. Argue definitions with her and see where that gets you. She will clue you into what she means by light cleaning too. No one is finished until we all are finished, so do your duty and don't leave your fellow employees with your share of it.
Having said that, the company needs to hire cleaners once and for all and end this for everyone.
01-25-2019 | 10:43 AM
#68
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From: Airbus Capt
"It's not only a *REQUIREMENT* for keeping your pass riding privileges, it's... blah, blah, blah culture-puke words".
Doesn't sound like "should".
Nuke the fake CULTure.
01-25-2019 | 10:45 AM
#69
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From: Airbus Capt
01-25-2019 | 02:11 PM
#70
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Its really simple. If you don't want to clean at anytime or anyplace, than negotiated it into the next contract. If you just walk off the plane after doing one row or nothing at all, you deserve to be (and I quote Johanna) reported straight to her. Argue definitions with her and see where that gets you. She will clue you into what she means by light cleaning too. No one is finished until we all are finished, so do your duty and don't leave your fellow employees with your share of it.
I had to finally create an account and reply to this because this is SO FAR OFF BASE that it couldn't possibly be written by a line pilot.
Either that, or it is EPIC level trolling/sarcasm and I salute you. I'm honestly at a loss as to which it is.
