No hill to die on. Read the FAA case law. Don't speculate in favor of draconian company exploitations. There is more than the 5 pages put out by ALPA. Go read all duty related case law on the FAA website.

 

What are you talking about? The FAA has No issue with a commute. Every airline does it.

They have an issue with pilots doing any sort of work for the airline without starting the duty clock, they have stated that cleaning is work. Only JB pilots (that I’m aware of) are required to do work on their commute in. You are breaking the law if you clean and don’t start your duty time.

 

here we go again as I beat the horse.........

 

Ok I’ll buy that.

And I guess I’d do hilltops wife to.

 

Not sure which horse is dead when we have quite a few juicers that can't seem to read or understand the FAA's interpretation. ... or maybe they get confused by the company's mis-guidance.

JB pilots ... the pilot group that believes a company memo over their union's guidance on the matter

 

Some guys actually like and enjoy doing it. More power to them. Just have the understanding between should and must.

Do what you think is right.

 

That's not the issue.

You can voluntarily clean all you want. Just like you can voluntarily check FLICA. Or voluntarily pick up flying on your days off.

What no air carrier can do is force you to engage in duty on behalf of the air carrier during a rest period. That's duty, not rest.

The previous DRO system was duty, where you didn't know your schedule on a day off and had to log into a company computer system in order to see what you were doing on day 1 of reserve.

Not sure how that slipped past everyone for years.

 

Just so we are CLEAR, the company policy says MUST.

 

Just like the internet?.......I beat the horse.

 

Just so its CLEAR, again for the xxxx time...

FOM 10.3.18
Page 10-39
Captains
Aircraft Cleaning: Captains are not expected to assist in light cleaning of aircraft as a core function of their duties.

FOM 10.3.19
Page 10-41
First Officers
Aircraft Cleaning: First Officers are not expected to assist in light cleaning of aircraft as a core function of their duties.

Pass riding guide
Page 24

Cleaning Expectations (thats a key word)

All Pass Riding Crewmembers whether traveling for leisure, duty(in direct contradiction to the FOM) or commuting to work are expected to assist with cleaning the aircraft to speed the turn process.... Do not delay or impede the deplaning of customers when cleaning... Crewmembers failing to assist our inflight crew may be subject to suspension or loss of pass riding privileges, for up to one year.

looking for the must? I can't find it. We also have a definition of how much is required and it's De-minimis, so while up for interpretation, you go ahead and clean as much as you think is required.

But congratulations, you were right about less aircraft than expected this year.

ex·pec·ta·tion

noun
a strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.
"reality had not lived up to expectations"
a belief that someone will or should achieve something.

Seems like we tend not to meet expectations in many aspects around here.

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