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05-16-2019, 03:07 AM
#131
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Joined APC: May 2019
Position: 757/767 CA
Posts: 253
Originally Posted by Softpayman
But real men cry about not having a proper rain coat? Have you ever used a fork? Were you raised by wolves? A female captain told ya?
05-16-2019, 03:43 AM
#132
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Posts: 776
Originally Posted by JayRalstonSmith
Or no idea. It isn’t happening. Asked Marty at the Fort Lauderdale pocket session and it was a clear no.
It would alienate their already existing franchise. You wouldn’t be stimulating demand, only pulling you’re current customers.
05-16-2019, 09:05 PM
#134
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 323
Originally Posted by 360KIAS
Absolutely! I'm surprised we don't have a LOA addressing this already. What's the hold up?
Back to Caring 0.2%.
05-17-2019, 09:54 AM
#135
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Position: Airbus Capt
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Originally Posted by blue dude
the profit sharing formula was set by loa before the cba was signed. And changing that formula in the cba, either to raise it for everyone or to have a separate pool for the pilots, was one of the few items that the company set an absolute hard line on. As in, it was unnegotiable. This company is simply unable to learn from its mistakes and missteps in so short a period as 9 months to back down now. We won't see any changes to the formula until it becomes blindingly obvious to even the most insulated exec that company morale isn't just in a temporary slump, but will be permanently depressed until it is.
Back to caring 0.2%.
Back to caring 0.2%.
05-17-2019, 07:55 PM
#136
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Originally Posted by Blue Dude
The profit sharing formula was set by LOA before the CBA was signed. And changing that formula in the CBA, either to raise it for everyone or to have a separate pool for the pilots, was one of the few items that the company set an absolute hard line on. As in, it was unnegotiable. This company is simply unable to learn from its mistakes and missteps in so short a period as 9 months to back down now. We won't see any changes to the formula until it becomes blindingly obvious to even the most insulated exec that company morale isn't just in a temporary slump, but will be permanently depressed until it is.
Back to Caring 0.2%.
Back to Caring 0.2%.
Second, I agree with what you say, and it's a logical stance for the company to take. The more money they keep internal, the better the bottom line looks to shareholders. But at some point, it shall become more necessary for the company to part ways with more and more of it. The more they make (because of their employees), the more we should be able to negotiate from them. They have paid it in the past, they will pay it again. We just have to press for it collectively.
05-18-2019, 04:38 AM
#137
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Position: JetRight, JetLeft
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Totally correct our current jacket options suck. They didn’t even bother to ask us just here is your bs coat give us some money.
We have ways of making that money back.
Funny how management has killed the very culture they claim to promote.
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05-18-2019, 07:02 AM
#138
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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
They have paid it in the past, they will pay it again.
It was always rob Peter to pay Paul.
The 5% cliff was invented to help the pilot group think they had a 10% retirement in an age when other airlines were not profitable and JetBlue was. This helped Jetblue keep the narrative alive that PS was not important or warranted since the other guys were not getting any.
Then ALPA surveyed THIS pilot group.
Tada! Most, apparently, thought it was not important. This was NOT on the pilot group this is on ALPA for not educating the group. I very much doubt the group reported it would be happy with 0.2% instead of 8% plus trailing base rates and cola etc, etc, etc.
But that is how it was interpreted.
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05-18-2019, 08:35 AM
#139
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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
They have paid it in the past, they will pay it again. We just have to press for it collectively.
Or possibly there's an outside chance that 0.2% Caring is the new normal, and the company is forced to improve the formula across the board in order to salvage morale and motivation. I'm sorry to say that this management team isn't up to that. They may not even be allowed to consider it.
Have a Pepsi. It's all you'll be getting for a long, long time.
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