321 xlr
06-21-2019, 11:27 AM
#105
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Originally Posted by 303flyboy
You will see PHL/RDU - Europe in 5 years. ONT - Hawaii. MCO - South America. You heard it here first.
06-21-2019, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Why PHL/RDU Europe? Run me through the logic on that please.
06-21-2019, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SaturnV
I think he thought this was the Frontier forum and accidentally dilvulged their master plans of long Range domination out of PHL/RDU etc with their XLR’s
06-22-2019, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by chucknorris
The highest revenue premiums are derived by flying your aircraft in a double red eye schedule. So your aircraft will always sit for 12 hours somewhere in South America. To help with utilization many airlines will do maintenance down there, and you can also rotate the aircraft into a daytime Europe rotation. Either way, it’s 2 aircraft for SA. Many airlines have tried daytime SA, it just doesn’t drive enough revenue to be worth it.
Even with the XLR this isn't a NY/BOS to deep S.America aircraft. Florida to NE Brazil definitely, to the Brazilian population hubs of Sao Paulo, Rio, & Brasilia yes. Possibly Buenos Aires/Santiago.
Those could be evening departures (5-8pm) that land past midnight in those cities. Plane sits for a few hours for an early morning departure back North. Now being a narrow body, this AC could run more economically on a FLL-JFK/BOS flight to follow. Keeps aircraft utilization high which JB likes to do.
Look more at what American does with it's 757 out of Miami rather than what American/United do with their 777's and 767's out of the NY area to S America as an analogy to what we'd do with an XLR. American 757's leave MIA at 7pm and 4pm for Brasilia and Santa Cruz for example. Other Brazilian carriers do fly daytime to the US as well.
06-22-2019, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
In general I agree with this analysis. However there are some subtle differences that would at least open the door to the possibility of not doing the 12 hour aircraft sit.
Even with the XLR this isn't a NY/BOS to deep S.America aircraft. Florida to NE Brazil definitely, to the Brazilian population hubs of Sao Paulo, Rio, & Brasilia yes. Possibly Buenos Aires/Santiago.
Those could be evening departures (5-8pm) that land past midnight in those cities. Plane sits for a few hours for an early morning departure back North. Now being a narrow body, this AC could run more economically on a FLL-JFK/BOS flight to follow. Keeps aircraft utilization high which JB likes to do.
Look more at what American does with it's 757 out of Miami rather than what American/United do with their 777's and 767's out of the NY area to S America as an analogy to what we'd do with an XLR. American 757's leave MIA at 7pm and 4pm for Brasilia and Santa Cruz for example. Other Brazilian carriers do fly daytime to the US as well.
Even with the XLR this isn't a NY/BOS to deep S.America aircraft. Florida to NE Brazil definitely, to the Brazilian population hubs of Sao Paulo, Rio, & Brasilia yes. Possibly Buenos Aires/Santiago.
Those could be evening departures (5-8pm) that land past midnight in those cities. Plane sits for a few hours for an early morning departure back North. Now being a narrow body, this AC could run more economically on a FLL-JFK/BOS flight to follow. Keeps aircraft utilization high which JB likes to do.
Look more at what American does with it's 757 out of Miami rather than what American/United do with their 777's and 767's out of the NY area to S America as an analogy to what we'd do with an XLR. American 757's leave MIA at 7pm and 4pm for Brasilia and Santa Cruz for example. Other Brazilian carriers do fly daytime to the US as well.
Which means JB is going to do it.
06-22-2019, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Sneaking a Florida round trip in to get utilization up sounds like a great way to ruin the on-time performance of your flagship long-haul flights...
Which means JB is going to do it.
Which means JB is going to do it.
(What's a flagship long haul flight?? You must have this mistaken for the Concord and 1978).
Again look at how 757s get utilized. They don't sit for 12 hours. There aren't 757's sitting in Buenos Aires, Rio or Sao Paulo all day waiting for return flights. The 757's that UAL/AA/DAL use go to Europe from NY as well as head West to Denver/SFO during the day.
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