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03-31-2020, 05:26 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
I hope you’re right. But I feel like it’s inevitable.
Were going to park planes. Depending on how many obviously and when demand is expected to return will determine a lot and that’s a moving target.
jmo but I hope after voluntary LOAs, early outs (the few we’ve got eligible), and reduced credit lines we keep it under 500.
I know alpa is also working on many efficiencies that the company refused to allow previously. Things that will save jblu millions.
this also has the potential to save more jobs.
Were going to park planes. Depending on how many obviously and when demand is expected to return will determine a lot and that’s a moving target.
jmo but I hope after voluntary LOAs, early outs (the few we’ve got eligible), and reduced credit lines we keep it under 500.
I know alpa is also working on many efficiencies that the company refused to allow previously. Things that will save jblu millions.
this also has the potential to save more jobs.
I sure would like the Company to take the Grants and the Loans offered by the Government, as they would offer some sort of “protections” to our jobs or at least delay the inevitable. My understanding from one of the last union emails, was that with the Loans, there are a lot more requirements they have to go by. JB already said they will study if the Loans are a viable option or not. My guess is that they won’t take it because of all the strings attached.
03-31-2020, 05:27 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by nuball5
After seeing what’s currently happening with the April pairings, I’m guessing that May will have less volunteers for the 50 hour lines. I’ve heard of some that have had their flying reduced to almost 0 in the past couple days, while still crediting 70-75 hours...
03-31-2020, 05:31 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Furloughs begin October 1, and if the voluntary furloughs go senior like the incentive lines did, the six months of pay for furloughed pilots will continue until the April 8th, 2021 paycheck.
In other words, the earliest the company starts saving money with a furlough is April 20, 2021.
With 50-hour incentive lines, they save money every month, starting April 20 THIS year. Plus they retain the flexibility to change the headcount for each base on a monthly basis.
In other words, the earliest the company starts saving money with a furlough is April 20, 2021.
With 50-hour incentive lines, they save money every month, starting April 20 THIS year. Plus they retain the flexibility to change the headcount for each base on a monthly basis.
you need to read section 23. the six months of pay is charted on 23-2. it's not going to apply to most of those that flow out the bottom and does not apply to voluntary furlough. say we lose 500, that's 2 weeks to two months of pay. I'd also say that they'll argue 23.C.4 and say that this is beyond their control and attempt to stick to the 2months pay for anyone furloughed. it'll end up in court.
03-31-2020, 05:44 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
you need to read section 23. the six months of pay is charted on 23-2. it's not going to apply to most of those that flow out the bottom and does not apply to voluntary furlough...
CBA 23.B.4
Pilots on voluntary furlough shall receive no fewer benefits than Pilots
who have been involuntarily furloughed.
03-31-2020, 06:04 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by Boomer
This is where the company should be looking. Offer incentive lines for May, June... establish a trend line and if less pilots participate each month, their decision to furlough becomes easier. Decide by August for October 1 furloughs.
The bid starts tomm. Probably should find out something soon. Im sure there are meetings going on between the company and ALPA to get it right. I would love to be a fly on that wall.
03-31-2020, 09:06 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
The bid starts tomm. Probably should find out something soon. Im sure there are meetings going on between the company and ALPA to get it right. I would love to be a fly on that wall.
No we won't. Its being delayed. Why? Because they can do whatever they want.
03-31-2020, 09:53 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
The bid starts tomm. Probably should find out something soon. Im sure there are meetings going on between the company and ALPA to get it right. I would love to be a fly on that wall.
03-31-2020, 10:02 AM
#38
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by nuball5
After seeing what’s currently happening with the April pairings, I’m guessing that May will have less volunteers for the 50 hour lines. I’ve heard of some that have had their flying reduced to almost 0 in the past couple days, while still crediting 70-75 hours.
I commend you for taking the 50 hour line to help mitigate the amount of furloughs we would
need to do....I don’t think everyone has the same mindset. Maybe I’m wrong, but most took the 50 hour line to just get a break from working or avoid Covid-19 exposure.
I commend you for taking the 50 hour line to help mitigate the amount of furloughs we would
need to do....I don’t think everyone has the same mindset. Maybe I’m wrong, but most took the 50 hour line to just get a break from working or avoid Covid-19 exposure.
03-31-2020, 10:03 AM
#39
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by dingo222
We still have several hundred pilots sitting scr everyday like we are still running full tilt at 1000 flights a day. Better start bringing the bang stick up to Kew Gardens to fight off the zombies and Venezuela style food shortages. It would take a flick of a pen to put most of them on lcr with the schedule draw down, but let’s keep moving pilots in and out of major population centers and then sending them back to spread the love. We are contributing to the very thing that is destroying our industry. Culture
03-31-2020, 10:06 AM
#40
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Not negotiating in public, but as an idea, the company could greatly increase the number of 50 hour VIL no-fly lines. Let them be bid on in seniority order, and then via an LOA with JBALPA reverse seniority assign the unfilled 50 hour lines from the bottom. As an idea to help mitigate/prevent furloughs.
That way anyone who WANTS a VIL line can have one voluntarily, and the bottom of the list gets 50 hours + benefits instead of a pink slip.
That way anyone who WANTS a VIL line can have one voluntarily, and the bottom of the list gets 50 hours + benefits instead of a pink slip.
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