JetBlue vs ULCC?
03-22-2022 | 04:13 AM
#41
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I would add, or possibly counter, that JB seeks to build out bases with limited gates/slots etc... I believe they view Orlando as important to the long term plan, but presently feel no pressure to obtain resources because the resources there haven't been that limited. To say it another way, I think they feel like they can always grow MCO NEXT year... The new terminal is the exception however. But that sorta counters both our arguments.
Bingo.
I think the idea is build a fortress type area and use those profits to expand in other areas. If you look at Boston there is only so much room unless some how they build a new terminal. Mco does not have that issue. So gobble up the hard stuff while you can and go for the easy stuff later. Now with the NEA focus I think FL/MCO has been pushed down again.
The big issue here is what was once “easy” may not be when you come back and find your easy is now a major hub for a ulcc.
But again you are eliminating 2 ulccs and now will just compete against 1 I would rather be in a fare war with 1 ulcc vs 2.
I get the logic if you look at the big guys thanks to the mergers they have super hubs something jetblue absolutely does not. They can play around with different stuff because they control ATL or DFW or IAH. Jetblue seems to be trying to do that but it’s going to be hard to do and the current operation does not help.
If you want FL now and like frontier go with them.
03-22-2022 | 06:18 AM
#42
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Bingo.
I think the idea is build a fortress type area and use those profits to expand in other areas. If you look at Boston there is only so much room unless some how they build a new terminal. Mco does not have that issue. So gobble up the hard stuff while you can and go for the easy stuff later. Now with the NEA focus I think FL/MCO has been pushed down again.
The big issue here is what was once “easy” may not be when you come back and find your easy is now a major hub for a ulcc.
But again you are eliminating 2 ulccs and now will just compete against 1 I would rather be in a fare war with 1 ulcc vs 2.
I get the logic if you look at the big guys thanks to the mergers they have super hubs something jetblue absolutely does not. They can play around with different stuff because they control ATL or DFW or IAH. Jetblue seems to be trying to do that but it’s going to be hard to do and the current operation does not help.
If you want FL now and like frontier go with them.
I think the idea is build a fortress type area and use those profits to expand in other areas. If you look at Boston there is only so much room unless some how they build a new terminal. Mco does not have that issue. So gobble up the hard stuff while you can and go for the easy stuff later. Now with the NEA focus I think FL/MCO has been pushed down again.
The big issue here is what was once “easy” may not be when you come back and find your easy is now a major hub for a ulcc.
But again you are eliminating 2 ulccs and now will just compete against 1 I would rather be in a fare war with 1 ulcc vs 2.
I get the logic if you look at the big guys thanks to the mergers they have super hubs something jetblue absolutely does not. They can play around with different stuff because they control ATL or DFW or IAH. Jetblue seems to be trying to do that but it’s going to be hard to do and the current operation does not help.
If you want FL now and like frontier go with them.
I'm not sure I see ULCC in MCO as that big of an impediment. The two airlines really do serve two different clientels, with some overlap but not that much.
03-22-2022 | 07:48 AM
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I will start with saying the obvious, anything in this industry can change at any time. For perspective, I started Jetblue around the same time my friend started at Spirit. I am a very junior line holder, I fly to better destinations, I use my travel benefits. He’s a reserve captain, makes more money than me, works less, flies to worse places, buys tickets on other airlines.
03-22-2022 | 08:10 AM
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LOL, this is about the dumbest thing I've read today. You fly to better destinations than Spirit?? Um OK tell me which ones are better and why. And you "use" your benefits....you mean non-rev. Non-rev benefits, if you can even call them that suck anywhere. Or maybe you're able to use them more often because your loads are lower and that's not a good sign. He buys tickets on other airlines because he goes to places Spirit doesn't fly, you know.....all those wonderful places you fly. Ha ha ha...get outa here
03-22-2022 | 08:23 AM
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LOL, this is about the dumbest thing I've read today. You fly to better destinations than Spirit?? Um OK tell me which ones are better and why. And you "use" your benefits....you mean non-rev. Non-rev benefits, if you can even call them that suck anywhere. Or maybe you're able to use them more often because your loads are lower and that's not a good sign. He buys tickets on other airlines because he goes to places Spirit doesn't fly, you know.....all those wonderful places you fly. Ha ha ha...get outa here
03-22-2022 | 11:14 AM
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His words were “figuring out how to close that base keeps me up at night. We ran a cost analysis for displacing all of you and the training costs that will generate when you guys displace others will make the LAX/LGB displacement/training fiasco look like nothing. Plus the costs and loss of productivity of the instructors doing fly days and paying them extra to deadhead them, possibly overnight, and get them back. We can’t afford it to close it right now and don’t have the training capacity to deal with it.”
03-22-2022 | 12:57 PM
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In contrast…I had Dave Clark onboard last month going from BOS to LGA and we asked that question specifically.
His words were “figuring out how to close that base keeps me up at night. We ran a cost analysis for displacing all of you and the training costs that will generate when you guys displace others will make the LAX/LGB displacement/training fiasco look like nothing. Plus the costs and loss of productivity of the instructors doing fly days and paying them extra to deadhead them, possibly overnight, and get them back. We can’t afford it to close it right now and don’t have the training capacity to deal with it.”
His words were “figuring out how to close that base keeps me up at night. We ran a cost analysis for displacing all of you and the training costs that will generate when you guys displace others will make the LAX/LGB displacement/training fiasco look like nothing. Plus the costs and loss of productivity of the instructors doing fly days and paying them extra to deadhead them, possibly overnight, and get them back. We can’t afford it to close it right now and don’t have the training capacity to deal with it.”
03-22-2022 | 01:40 PM
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That's fine, apparently you have plenty of open seats on your aircraft because you can't decided if you want to be a legacy or an LCC. I'll take my expanding airline full A/C of "clientele" over cutting 27 routes during peak summer.
03-22-2022 | 01:50 PM
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Oh boy, why are you here reading this? Go back to your ever expanding world and enjoy.
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