JetBlue vs ULCC?
03-21-2022 | 05:23 AM
#31
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The grid is the worst issue I personally have. We need a seriously better process in CBA 2.0. It was one of my 3 biggest issues on my ALPA survey. Vacation/PTO accrual and reassignment protections where my other two. Maybe if dependability went to the way side (not that they really enforce it) I wouldn't care about the grid so much.
03-21-2022 | 05:28 AM
#32
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JBLU vs. ULCC
CRJdriver2017, I’d say go to Frontier. If Florida bases there go junior, and that’s (FL) where you want to be based, then go with them. Not having to commute to work should far outweigh the slightly higher pay you’d get here at JB.
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03-21-2022 | 07:13 AM
#33
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I’m in the same situation right now. Frontier surprisingly invited me for an interview back in March and got offered into the hiring pool. No class date yet but my background stuff is pending. Then Jetblue sent me a phase 1 invite yesterday. Basically I’m unclear as to where I will be long term but I don’t look down on ULCC carriers like some. I’m a FL guy, that’s where my family is and that’s where I wanna end up. Pay seems slightly higher at jetblue but I’m anticipating new rates with the pending merger and even so without. FL bases are junior with good movement and upgrade times. Jetblue seems like it will be a while for FL and then really slow progression. Jetblue has a better name and reputation.
03-21-2022 | 08:52 AM
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JetBlue vs ULCC?
Frontier/Spirit is likely going to get you in FL quicker and faster QOL. Maybe a FLL blue can chime in but in Orlando to upgrade here at blue is over 9 years on the 190 which will soon go away. The bus left seat in Orlando may as well be impossible and once the 190 goes away you may as well forget it exists once all is said and done. Jetblue pretends Orlando doesn’t exist and there is nowhere in the country but NY. Basically they think it’s impossible to make money there even though Spirit/Frontier both ran us over like a dump truck expanding.
Exactly. ULCCs make money in MCO. If MCO made the kind of money our other bases do then it would be bigger. Its a simple fact not trying to antagonize.
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03-21-2022 | 08:56 AM
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I would add, or possibly counter, that JB seeks to build out bases with limited gates/slots etc... I believe they view Orlando as important to the long term plan, but presently feel no pressure to obtain resources because the resources there haven't been that limited. To say it another way, I think they feel like they can always grow MCO NEXT year... The new terminal is the exception however. But that sorta counters both our arguments.
03-21-2022 | 10:26 AM
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I would add, or possibly counter, that JB seeks to build out bases with limited gates/slots etc... I believe they view Orlando as important to the long term plan, but presently feel no pressure to obtain resources because the resources there haven't been that limited. To say it another way, I think they feel like they can always grow MCO NEXT year... The new terminal is the exception however. But that sorta counters both our arguments.
On a more positive note then MCO is our most important base after NYC, BOS, FLL and LAX.
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03-21-2022 | 10:34 AM
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I would add, or possibly counter, that JB seeks to build out bases with limited gates/slots etc... I believe they view Orlando as important to the long term plan, but presently feel no pressure to obtain resources because the resources there haven't been that limited. To say it another way, I think they feel like they can always grow MCO NEXT year... The new terminal is the exception however. But that sorta counters both our arguments.
03-21-2022 | 10:42 AM
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Scott said multiple times on pocket sessions before he bailed that yields in MCO are garbage with our cost structure with so much ULCC competition. He didn’t seem very optimistic about MCO growing. Dave Clark seemed a little more positive on it on the last pocket session though. Regardless, there’s always schoolhouse / adjunct jobs available for guys who want to be in MCO and not commute.
Why pay someone to teach 90 hours guarantee that can hold a captain pay rate with thousands of hours experience on the plane when you can hire off the street, pay 1st year FO pay, and they have never touched the airplane.
03-21-2022 | 10:53 AM
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Scott said multiple times on pocket sessions before he bailed that yields in MCO are garbage with our cost structure with so much ULCC competition. He didn’t seem very optimistic about MCO growing. Dave Clark seemed a little more positive on it on the last pocket session though. Regardless, there’s always schoolhouse / adjunct jobs available for guys who want to be in MCO and not commute.
03-21-2022 | 03:48 PM
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I’m in the same situation right now. Frontier surprisingly invited me for an interview back in March and got offered into the hiring pool. No class date yet but my background stuff is pending. Then Jetblue sent me a phase 1 invite yesterday. Basically I’m unclear as to where I will be long term but I don’t look down on ULCC carriers like some. I’m a FL guy, that’s where my family is and that’s where I wanna end up. Pay seems slightly higher at jetblue but I’m anticipating new rates with the pending merger and even so without. FL bases are junior with good movement and upgrade times. Jetblue seems like it will be a while for FL and then really slow progression. Jetblue has a better name and reputation.
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