Boomer

If this LOA passes, here are everyone’s takeaways:

Company - They can violate the contract at will, drag it out in court, and at the last possible moment throw out a bone to the MEC. The MEC will send it right to the membership for ratification, and even help sell it as a great deal with no downsides. Not only will the pilots settle for a small percentage of their actual damages, they’ll also vote to change the contract and let the violation continue indefinitely.

MEC/NC - The company will open with a low bid, and stay low. Don’t expect to gain more than about 1% even after a years worth of negotiations. When the company says something is off the table, believe them. Even when the pilots say no, they mean yes; they just want reassuring and maybe an extra one percent so they can feel like they are in control.

The membership - Always vote yes for the first offer. By the time it goes out for ratification the MEC has already decided there are no crumbs left to ask for. A no vote will not lead to a better offer.

BeatNavy

Everybody should read through this. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...n-airlines-and

The actual PDF of the lawsuit is pretty eye opening. The control AA can exert over JB, not just with regards to northeast flying, is not ideal.

The way the JV is structured, jetblue is disincentivized to launch its own trans-Atlantic flights, certainly with anything larger than a 321. JetBlue pulls revenue from AA flying 777s to LHR. JetBlue pilots get nothing from that. JetBlue gets revenue from a republic E175 flying an NEA flight under a CPA with AA. What do you think will happen when JetBlue’s smallest airplane is a 140 seater optimized for flights 2+ hours. Do we really think we will continue to fly short stuff on our metal once the RJ economics get better and the pilot shortage evens out? Our growth metrics in the LOA are a joke.

Without 1F8 relief, the NEA is at risk, and some of our best growth possibilities (WB international) are gone. They say only the 1F8 stuff is at risk, but really, is AA going to want to continue the NEA if they don’t get to feed their international? That’s the whole point of the NEA. And if 1F7 gets ruled in ALPAs favor….hooooboy the NEA is done. Either way, the company (really both AA and B6) won’t allow the NEA to not happen. They will ask for more relief and offer more, whether it’s 1F7 and 1F8 or just 1F8.

Remember, Chris Kenney put out an email 2/14/21 saying this is the end of the road there’s nothing left and it will be scary if we vote no. Here we are again 13 months later in the same spot. We have leverage. And this isn’t good for us regardless. We give this huge JV relief for a decade to partner with the largest carrier in the world and give jetblue the ability to pull revenue from both widebody international AND capacity purchase agreement RJs, while simultaneously getting rid of e190s, just think about how this COULD turn out in 3-5-7 years. Not saying it will. Right now the economics favor us getting AA’s slots in NYC. AA can exert a lot of control over JB around the entire JB network with this arrangement. The fact that B6ALPA thinks they have the nuclear option to shut this down with the LOA17 language is laughable.

Vote no. It’s the only logical vote. Protect jobs. These “collars” and weak LOAs don’t protect jobs. Chris Kenney doesn’t protect jobs. Selling scope relief for 3% and a few grand doesn’t protect jobs.

Your name here

I’m already embarrassed to work here, if this passes I’ll be ashamed. This group better solidify and read to how badly this could affect our future if voted in.

ReachHeavy

Zero impact 3% pay raise Now and nearly 2% bonus Now. Sets a higher floor for Section 6 VS. You get NOTHING and the company will continue the NEA and probably just "restructure" the verbiage with the code share...

Count me in YES!

I have little faith our union could chew gum and walk at the same time so lets move on to Section 6.

SaintNick

setting a floor is such a stupid way of thinking. where we are now compared to where we will end up won’t matter. We will end up at the same number no matter what. Instead you are giving away the farm to get a measly raise. Grow a back bone and stand up for your self and your profession once in your career

Just

And possibly lose all future European growth, that’s seems a very uneducated yes vote. Please reconsider

BeatNavy

Voting yes allows 1F7 relief such that jetblue gets revenue from capacity purchase agreement RJ flying by American. It’s literally selling scope for a decade or more. It’s a way around a direct capacity purchase agreement where jetblue still makes money for zero cost.

And if you think 1F7 is a foregone conclusion to go to the company, even if that’s gone in arbitration, 1F8 will 99.9969% go to the pilot group, and at least the FC to FC and FC to international would be preserved.

I just don’t see how anyone, especially our union leadership, is ok selling scope for a decade for a 3% raise we’d get anyway, and then saying with a straight face that it’s limited and narrow relief.

pilotpayne

Is this a joke?

stanherman

I was holding off on my reply assuming it was, but apparently not.

In the event this vote fails, as a membership our next step is to ensure that our MEC is swiftly removed and replaced (whether by resignation or recall) as well as local councils who voted in favor of the agreement are gone. Anything less than that is unacceptable.

pilotpayne

So (respectfully) if you will roll over on this why should I expect you to fight for a better contract?