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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3526638)
…they might just as well prefer to slow growth vs pay pilots...
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Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 3526841)
If their plan is to go slow then count me in. I am all aboard with this JetBlue plan. Slow mode activated.
I have yet to see evidence that this pilot group has learned anything from the last time around... |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3526846)
Well, then if the Union declares a labor dispute, you'll have 9 to 12 more pilots behind you doing the same...
I have yet to see evidence that this pilot group has learned anything from the last time around... |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3526805)
They have intentionally deferred aircraft deliveries several times in the last 8-10 years. They have intentionally slowed growth several times. If the choice is pay pilots a lot or slow deliveries, it just wouldn't surprise me to see them slow deliveries, again.
I hope I'm wrong, I hope this time is different. But so far to me they are still the same tiger... |
Originally Posted by SaintNick
(Post 3526903)
would normally agree with you, but they just spent 4bil dollars to try and have rapid growth. Doubt they want to see half of each airlines pilots disappear.
Future growth plans are just that, plans. The only growth I am interested in is combined pilot seniority list growth. Mashing together two seniority lists does not count as growth to me. |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3526638)
I would be careful with the thinking that management "needs" a pay raise...
They need a pay raise for their current growth PLANS, but they have many times before been more than happy to defer deliveries, and slow growth in the past. If they can't get the 7/1/1 they want, they might just as well prefer to slow growth vs pay pilots. Wouldn't surprise me. Like I said, I will have to SEE them change their stripes to believe they are no longer a tiger. ahhhhh history who needs it :) but yes definitely a possibility |
I’m keeping my expectations tempered and preparing for a labor dispute. If the company’s counter proposal isn’t even in the ballpark, we’ll have our answer.
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Originally Posted by SaintNick
(Post 3526903)
would normally agree with you, but they just spent 4bil dollars to try and have rapid growth. Doubt they want to see half of each airlines pilots disappear.
We will have a good sense of what their intentions are in the coming weeks, but if they haven't signed a deal before Jan 1st, more like before Dec 25th, it's not a great sign. On the other hand, it may not want to report a deal until after the first of the year for Wall Street reasons... Still, I don't really accept that as a reason not to sign a deal before the holidays. |
Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
(Post 3527023)
I’m keeping my expectations tempered and preparing for a labor dispute. If the company’s counter proposal isn’t even in the ballpark, we’ll have our answer.
The company will drag feet for 8 months, then add 1%. The MEC will call it a “Home run for the pilot group.” and vote unanimously to send it to the pilot group for ratification. And then hard-sell it right up to the morning that voting closes. |
Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 3527084)
The company will come back with a number that the MEC says is “Not even in the ballpark! Insulting! That number needs to come way up to match what our survey response demands and what our pilot group deserves!”
The company will drag feet for 8 months, then add 1%. The MEC will call it a “Home run for the pilot group.” and vote unanimously to send it to the pilot group for ratification. And then hard-sell it right up to the morning that voting closes. |
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