Just so people understand, the snap up is an average of everyone else’s rates. If that number is higher, that is what we snap up to.

it keeps us from being miles behind, but it in no way keeps us at parity if one or two airlines drag that average down.

This. It will be the exact same thing at the JCBA. For all the ones saying we wouldn’t get a PS check anyway, great so why was the company such a hard no if it would cost nothing?

I didn’t personally attack anyone. I didnt quote anyone and suggest theyre hopped up and bluejuice and belong at a carrier making crap pay. Even if I did, is that how you roll?

This entire forum is based on insufferable whining! Just keep it generalized and don’t come after someone personally for not having exactly what’s in your brain in his.

I still dont think it’s worth sinking this over, as was said, a couple years where we absolutely won’t be making a lot of money. Once we merge the company has publicly stated they expect much larger profits, and with the JCBA we absolutely should get profit sharing, amongst many other improvements.

QUOTE=IAFDOF;3552760]And I’m happy with what I see. If all you guys are gonna do is whine youve gotta at least aknowledge that this isnt the insulting slap that the 3% we got was. For all the doom and gloom “ohhh theyre gonna give us 5% and call it good” this is absolutely worth considering.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of unpleasant.

Anyway we won’t know. This will pass so I wouldn’t get so worked up. The UNION went in saying 3 p(s) and come back saying the company said no. I’m not a fan of that.

Yeah the snap up is nice but I don’t see why we should not have captured PS. I also am not so sure about the next time crew. So we have 2 shots to capture PS one is now gone.

that’s a very fair question. I think a rep or a NC guy would have a better answer than I could give you.

How do we know they were “such a hard no?” Maybe they would have given us PS but with a lower hourly, and the union did the math and figured hourly means more between now and the JCBA…

And are you denying APC is full of whining? :p I never quoted or called out or insulted anyone specific. Ya boi there did; he quoted me specifically and suggested I shouldn’t work here anymore. I really didn’t appreciate it.

I've only been here at B6 for a little over a year. Obviously seeing all the stuff over on the farm. Why are people here so hell bent on saying no without consideration because profit sharing wasn't in this. From my standpoint, again only being here over a year, I feel this is a respectable offer. It's short term until a JCBA which when it comes time to negotiate that I think we should be asking for profit sharing.

I don't see how people can compare what we do to deltas operation, widebody and a more substantial international operation and sheer size and the profit sharing size checks they get. From my eyes that's comparing apples to oranges if pilots here think we would see profit sharing checks that size. Not to mention it doesn't take much for an airline to not turn a profit (recession, war, pandemic). So why would you not consider a 21.5% compensation increase with snap up (granted its averaged) which is guaranteed compensation to hold us over to a JCBA? Then we get another shot for compensation, QOL etc.

I feel 21.5% over 18 months is pretty fair considering we get another bite with spirit when we grow tremendously. I'm keeping an open mind and honestly would love for people who are saying no to tell me reasons. I just feel a lot of people aren't keeping an open mind about this. (and before people start blasting me because its APC B6 is not a stepping stone for me. I came here with the full intention of staying)

yes and it’s basically the company said absolutely not and would not budge. As you guys say it’s take the money now idea as they assume the company won’t be making any money and we have the JCBA.

Because I talked with a rep that said the company was basically F no to PS.

I’m sure it is but once you say y’all are just whining it goes down from there.

Were you here when we had PS and they took it away?