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Old 12-22-2023 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by panpanpan
A concern I have is the bottom feeders at Spirit will drag down pay rates in the JCBA. No offense, but Spirit pilots accepted sub standard, bottom of the barrel pay rates on their last TA which was not that long ago.
JetBlue pilots gave away a bunch of scope for a 3% pay raise (after turning it down for a 2% pay raise) under the NEA... Pot meets Kettle.
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Old 12-22-2023 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by panpanpan
A concern I have is the bottom feeders at Spirit will drag down pay rates in the JCBA. No offense, but Spirit pilots accepted sub standard, bottom of the barrel pay rates on their last TA which was not that long ago.
Not exactly the people we want in our foxholes when it comes time to play hardball. On the other forum there's still people justifying voting those substandard rates in, and even some talking about how they would take lower rates if they can continue to have more schedule flexibility.
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Old 12-22-2023 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
JetBlue pilots gave away a bunch of scope for a 3% pay raise (after turning it down for a 2% pay raise) under the NEA... Pot meets Kettle.
I agree with your intent, but, to be fair, it wasn’t a “bunch” of scope, and that scope is back. That being said, much of our pilot group will indeed vote yes as long as the rates are high, unfortunately.
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Old 12-22-2023 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PSU Flyer
That being said, much of our pilot group will indeed vote yes as long as the rates are high, unfortunately.
Nailed it. Going forward the pay rates will be industry standard, but quality of life/work rules will be the thing to watch closely.
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Old 12-22-2023 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
JetBlue pilots gave away a bunch of scope for a 3% pay raise (after turning it down for a 2% pay raise) under the NEA... Pot meets Kettle.
JB pilots took a bird in the hand over what an Arb would decide. Gaining a 3% increase above CBA contractual as well as other things of value to the JB pilots. This raised the bar from which others were able to negotiate from bringing us inline with the Legacy rates at the time. I’m not sure, but I haven’t seen a market adjustment letter of agreement that measures another pilot groups CBA with the potential of what NK might get. Enjoy your apple sauce friend.
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Old 12-22-2023 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluediver
JB pilots took a bird in the hand over what an Arb would decide. Gaining a 3% increase above CBA contractual as well as other things of value to the JB pilots. This raised the bar from which others were able to negotiate from bringing us inline with the Legacy rates at the time. I’m not sure, but I haven’t seen a market adjustment letter of agreement that measures another pilot groups CBA with the potential of what NK might get. Enjoy your apple sauce friend.
I don't think he's a Spirit pilot. Just a legacy trash talker I believe. And he's wrong. The majority voted for a surgical scope relief, that is now over and our minor scope give has been fully restored.
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Old 12-22-2023 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I don't think he's a Spirit pilot. Just a legacy trash talker I believe. And he's wrong. The majority voted for a surgical scope relief, that is now over and our minor scope give has been fully restored.
The irony of scope talk being we are one of the few Majors who actually have scope preventing our jobs being farmed out to CRJs.
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Old 12-22-2023 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Tornado875
The irony of scope talk being we are one of the few Majors who actually have scope preventing our jobs being farmed out to CRJs.
Yep. That fact is lost on the trash talker.
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Old 12-22-2023 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Tornado875
The irony of scope talk being we are one of the few Majors who actually have scope preventing our jobs being farmed out to CRJs.
AND for all the other difficulties about the acquisition of Spirit let's be glad neither of us have sold out jobs to regionals further complicating this mess. Horizon and Skywest are going to be an interesting complication to Alaska buying Hawaiian.
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Old 12-22-2023 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Tornado875
The irony of scope talk being we are one of the few Majors who actually have scope preventing our jobs being farmed out to CRJs.
The irony is that our Scope trade for a 3% raise brought Jetblue 2 steps closer to becoming AA's regional partner.
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