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Old 02-03-2024, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB View Post
Agree with the sentiments here.

Briefings are required per the FCOM. If you aren't receiving them, go to ALPA Pro Standards. Our Pro Standards Chair is recognized as possibly the best in the industry.

Pilots don't like sucking at their jobs.....they really don't like other pilots thinking they suck. Pro Standards is a great tool.
great points. I was so irritated I forgot to bring that up.
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Old 02-04-2024, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB View Post
Agree with the sentiments here.

Briefings are required per the FCOM. If you aren't receiving them, go to ALPA Pro Standards. Our Pro Standards Chair is recognized as possibly the best in the industry.

Pilots don't like sucking at their jobs.....they really don't like other pilots thinking they suck. Pro Standards is a great tool.

it is equally unprofessional to go to pro standards without being big enough to say something to the pilot first. Give the person fair warning.
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Old 02-04-2024, 05:26 AM
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it is equally unprofessional to go to pro standards without being big enough to say something to the pilot first. Give the person fair warning.
Took the words out of my mouth. If anyone gets a pro standards call and is surprised, someone screwed up. Handle it at the lowest level first.
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Old 02-04-2024, 08:17 AM
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Took the words out of my mouth. If anyone gets a pro standards call and is surprised, someone screwed up. Handle it at the lowest level first.
the guy not doing any briefings at all... I'm sorry, the captain, the pilot in command, who never does any briefings ever... doesn't know he's doing something wrong? he's going to be surprised if someone tells on him? then he's got even more problems. he's up there with the mushroom guy who tried to shut off the engines from the jumpseat.
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Old 02-04-2024, 08:56 AM
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the guy not doing any briefings at all... I'm sorry, the captain, the pilot in command, who never does any briefings ever... doesn't know he's doing something wrong? he's going to be surprised if someone tells on him? then he's got even more problems. he's up there with the mushroom guy who tried to shut off the engines from the jumpseat.

if you’re not man (or lady) enough to confront them, you shouldn’t be there either. Plus, you look like a coward. I’m on your side. But there is a way to approach this.

this person is sloppy, implying they are dangerous is a whole different thing. Be careful how much drama you want to inject into this.
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Old 02-04-2024, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by dontsurf View Post
the guy not doing any briefings at all... I'm sorry, the captain, the pilot in command, who never does any briefings ever... doesn't know he's doing something wrong? he's going to be surprised if someone tells on him? then he's got even more problems. he's up there with the mushroom guy who tried to shut off the engines from the jumpseat.
I don't assume anything. One doesnt know for sure is he's like this always, or just feeling lazy that day, or has personal sh*t going on. Bring it up like a resonsible professional. I'll give a guy one chance after spoken too. Then move it up the chain.
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Old 02-04-2024, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dontsurf View Post
the guy not doing any briefings at all... I'm sorry, the captain, the pilot in command, who never does any briefings ever... doesn't know he's doing something wrong? he's going to be surprised if someone tells on him? then he's got even more problems. he's up there with the mushroom guy who tried to shut off the engines from the jumpseat.
Some would be surprised yes. However the first thing pro stands will ask is did you say anything. They expect you to try to sole the problem first, after that they are there to help.
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Some would be surprised yes. However the first thing pro stands will ask is did you say anything. They expect you to try to sole the problem first, after that they are there to help.
Absolutely. I didnt think I needed to say it, but absolutely talk to who are flying with before you go to PS.
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Originally Posted by dontsurf View Post
the guy not doing any briefings at all... I'm sorry, the captain, the pilot in command, who never does any briefings ever... doesn't know he's doing something wrong? he's going to be surprised if someone tells on him? then he's got even more problems. he's up there with the mushroom guy who tried to shut off the engines from the jumpseat.
Wait... what? There are levels of irresponsiblity and those two are on waaaay different levels.
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Absolutely. I didnt think I needed to say it, but absolutely talk to who are flying with before you go to PS.
I did pro stands for many years shocking I know. You would always ask hey did you say anything lots of times the answer was no. If you are dealing with a mature pilot there shouldn't be an issue. I had an fo not long ago said he would be more comfortable doing a full briefing vs the cliff notes. Now we just flew into this same runway a few hours ago in the same wx but I was like sure have at it. Sometimes guys don't honestly know they did something that annoyed the other guy or made them uncomfortable.
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