Refing

Hi - Just a rant here and hopefully get some suggestions from you guys
Scenario - Captain gets to the plane and does not give a pairing brief , then when we get to the point where the PF is supposed to do the ATCS briefing and simply states " any questions" does the same for the arrival too. The first time I noticed this I thought this was a rare thing. I have now kinda got used to this , is this the new norm ? How do u guys deal with this on the line. I was watching the Airbus TEM video , Airbus recommends the PM to start the briefing.

Thanks

ARL120384

Rarely have I seen this, but those guys exist. It is the responsibility for both crewmwmbers to have the good old "shared mental model." If you're unsure of what you're doing, your expectations, or compliance with the FCOM, its the FO's responsibility to ask for the required briefings. Hold the Captain accountable.

ProPilotBlue

If you feel like there's information that you don't have (and do need), ask for it. "Hey, we've never flown together before." Go from there.

Wasntme

per the FCOM, if you haven’t don’t the departure or approach once already today, it needs to be done. In my experience briefings are very standard at JetBlue. But maybe there is some drift since we moved away from being militant about it.

ProPilotBlue

My interpretation about his question was more to do with the pairing brief, which some people do skip. To your point, I've never seen someone skip any of the other briefs (departure, takeoff, or approach). But the point I made still stands. If you ever are in a situation where you aren't getting what you need, or feel like something is being skipped, ask.

dontsurf

he's saying he's flying with captains who don't do any briefings at all. I wish I knew who they were so I or my family would never have to be in the back of their planes. lazy idiots. that's going to look real good on the cvr when they take off or land on the wrong runway or land at the wrong airport or miss an important notam or who knows what. this makes me sick.

and yes, if a captain says no briefing at all but just asks, "any questions?" how about piping up and saying, "where's the briefing?" I'm not putting the blame for their complete lack of professionalism on you, and I know it's hard to try to do things right when the guy in charge who is getting paid two or three times as much as you is so pathetic at his job that you don't know what to do (I've been there too, but not at jetblue, thankfully), but you still have to do it. if for no other reason, think about them playing the cvr at your trial or on the news after your death. did you do everything you could? did you try to do things right?

Roy Biggins

Pairing briefs are hit or miss. Some Captain's do them them, some don't. Not a huge deal on that one, but skipping it lacks professionalism. Departure and takeoff briefs should NEVER be skipped....ever. And I don't recall anyone actually skipping these. Approach briefs can be abbreviated per FCOM guidance. If you're both based at that airport, and you're planning an arrival and visual you do everyday, an abbreviated approach brief would be acceptable. While there is some procedural drift, I find most pilots to be pretty standardized here.

H60 DUSTOFF

I've had guys do that at a regional, but not here.

If I came across one that refused to give a briefing, at the very least I would go through his planning with a fine toothed comb and give the CVR my own damned briefing.

Clear Right

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SmitteyB

Agree with the sentiments here.

Briefings are required per the FCOM. If you aren't receiving them, go to ALPA Pro Standards. Our Pro Standards Chair is recognized as possibly the best in the industry.

Pilots don't like sucking at their jobs.....they really don't like other pilots thinking they suck. Pro Standards is a great tool.