Briefings
02-04-2024, 05:47 PM
#21
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It’s not your job to “talk to him”. Same way it’s not your job if he shows up to the gate intoxicated/under the influence to talk him out of flying an airplane. He knows damn well what he’s doing wrong. He goes through checking events on the regular. He knows the standard, and he knows what right looks like. He’s a captain, a grown man, and adult. One time is a mistake, second time is enemy action.
Do your job and fly standard.
Do your job and fly standard.
02-05-2024, 01:55 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB
It’s not your job to “talk to him”. Same way it’s not your job if he shows up to the gate intoxicated/under the influence to talk him out of flying an airplane. He knows damn well what he’s doing wrong. He goes through checking events on the regular. He knows the standard, and he knows what right looks like. He’s a captain, a grown man, and adult. One time is a mistake, second time is enemy action.
Do your job and fly standard.
Do your job and fly standard.
As Second-in-COMMMAND, it IS your job to talk to him (assuming it’s a man) and you should do it diplomatically, that IS your job. But keep in mind, Probably thousands or tens of thousands of hours of safe operation and you draw the line in the sand and go scorched earth over a briefing.
If you need to say something to someone, you don’t need to be a jerk, just say you’d like to be briefed. I guarantee you they’ll do it. We have great guys at JB, the loudest guys on the inter web are kitty cats to fly with.
Last edited by Wasntme; 02-05-2024 at 02:19 AM.
02-05-2024, 03:03 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by Wasntme
As Second-in-COMMMAND, it IS your job to talk to him (assuming it’s a man) and you should do it diplomatically, that IS your job. But keep in mind, Probably thousands or tens of thousands of hours of safe operation and you draw the line in the sand and go scorched earth over a briefing.
If you need to say something to someone, you don’t need to be a jerk, just say you’d like to be briefed. I guarantee you they’ll do it. We have great guys at JB, the loudest guys on the inter web are kitty cats to fly with.
If you need to say something to someone, you don’t need to be a jerk, just say you’d like to be briefed. I guarantee you they’ll do it. We have great guys at JB, the loudest guys on the inter web are kitty cats to fly with.
"You ready to brief?"
"I'm ready for your briefing."
"Go ahead."
"Hit me with it."
We hold each other to the standard. IRT an earlier post, I'm not at B6, and yes, my airline follows the Airbus rec of PM first on the brief in line with TEM. Now the PF cues it up, but the PM is trained and used to going at the beginning.
SOP and keep the rubber side down!
02-05-2024, 03:48 AM
#24
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Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
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Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB
It’s not your job to “talk to him”. Same way it’s not your job if he shows up to the gate intoxicated/under the influence to talk him out of flying an airplane. He knows damn well what he’s doing wrong. He goes through checking events on the regular. He knows the standard, and he knows what right looks like. He’s a captain, a grown man, and adult. One time is a mistake, second time is enemy action.
Do your job and fly standard.
Do your job and fly standard.
And here is the second lesson in pro standards that sometimes the guy doing the reporting is actually the issue.
It is literally your job to talk with him did you not take any CRM classes? You are being overly generalized here. There is a massive difference between “talking” and covering for non standard or illegal actions.
Its very simple hey captain I would feel more comfortable if we just briefed this real quick. That’s “talking” to him. If he refuses after that head on over to PS or if you really feel like it’s a safety issue request to be removed. But I absolutely guarantee the union and the company along with your fellow aviators will be like did you say anything first or did you just go tell on him.
Let’s use this. Talk to the guy and after he refuses or tells you to F off no proceed to step two.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YS-SRz...IGZ1Y2sgdXA%3D
02-05-2024, 12:40 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Jul 2023
Posts: 40
Honestly? Grow up. If you're not getting the info you need, you're feeling left out or uninformed or whatever... grow a pair, be an adult, and talk to the other guy until you're both on the same page. I'm riding in the back depending on you to be a professional and get me safely home, and frankly I have zero patience for stuff like this. Seriously you're at a major airline (more or less), act like it.
02-05-2024, 01:38 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by MergingTargets
Honestly? Grow up. If you're not getting the info you need, you're feeling left out or uninformed or whatever... grow a pair, be an adult, and talk to the other guy until you're both on the same page. I'm riding in the back depending on you to be a professional and get me safely home, and frankly I have zero patience for stuff like this. Seriously you're at a major airline (more or less), act like it.
If you’re too complacent or lazy for a brief then you deserve to be reported to PS without warning. You know what the job is, do it.
02-05-2024, 02:03 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by Goingupinverted
Ya and if you type of guys would stay standard from the start, be up to date on your SOPs and fly it like we trained, there would be no issue to begin with. Getting “all the information you need” doesn't provide a shared mental model.
If you’re too complacent or lazy for a brief then you deserve to be reported to PS without warning. You know what the job is, do it.
If you’re too complacent or lazy for a brief then you deserve to be reported to PS without warning. You know what the job is, do it.
02-05-2024, 03:06 PM
#28
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Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
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Originally Posted by Goingupinverted
Ya and if you type of guys would stay standard from the start, be up to date on your SOPs and fly it like we trained, there would be no issue to begin with. Getting “all the information you need” doesn't provide a shared mental model.
If you’re too complacent or lazy for a brief then you deserve to be reported to PS without warning. You know what the job is, do it.
If you’re too complacent or lazy for a brief then you deserve to be reported to PS without warning. You know what the job is, do it.
Respectfully you have a major lack of understanding what pro stands does and how they would handle that issue. Observe and report without warning won’t go over well at all and shows a lack of professionalism on your side.
02-06-2024, 06:19 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by Goingupinverted
Ya and if you type of guys would stay standard from the start, be up to date on your SOPs and fly it like we trained, there would be no issue to begin with.
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