Merger? Anyone Anyone
#251
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Also what’s everyone’s obsession with ASMs being linked to growth. If anything utilization and block hours should be the metric defining growth. You can increase ASM by just flying longer routes, no? If they do less number of flying on longer routes then seatsxmiles= increase in ASM. Or even just the 50 seats on the same flight increase the number and they can cut flying. On paper it makes the airline appear bigger with less block hours.
https://ir.jetblue.com/news/news-det...ce=chatgpt.com
As seen above the average stage length increases to 1317 miles in comparison to 2024 all while doing fewer turns and making cuts.
https://ir.jetblue.com/news/news-det...ce=chatgpt.com
As seen above the average stage length increases to 1317 miles in comparison to 2024 all while doing fewer turns and making cuts.
Similarly, aircraft utilization is misrepresented as well. Jetblue has learned the hard way that focusing on max utilization, compared to peers, has caused more delays and offset revenue. All these metrics do not operate in vacuums and are very aircraft/region/carrier specific.
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Yeah I understand on the 10K.
One of your statement said "...Jetblue expected the 220’s to generate 4-5 million compared to an 190 but that, again according to management, is dictated by Delta or other legacies changing their price by $1. The 200 is supposed to be 30-40% more efficient. According to MSG the 321 NEO’s are producing revenue related to Mint doing well." Where in it can I find these? A220 generating 4-5 million more is notable.
One of your statement said "...Jetblue expected the 220’s to generate 4-5 million compared to an 190 but that, again according to management, is dictated by Delta or other legacies changing their price by $1. The 200 is supposed to be 30-40% more efficient. According to MSG the 321 NEO’s are producing revenue related to Mint doing well." Where in it can I find these? A220 generating 4-5 million more is notable.
#253
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to delays or parts shortage. JetBlue, as most know, steps over a dollar to pick up a dime.
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Wait, you just talked about Gordon Bethune… and his plan was literally improving ontime performance and customer satisfaction. So yes, “___forward” and “NPS scores” are actually a plan, and one you *just cited* as being successful.
That said, CAL’s problems were primarily operational and reputational, so those elements really moved the needle. They didn’t have nearly the cost issues we have.
That said, CAL’s problems were primarily operational and reputational, so those elements really moved the needle. They didn’t have nearly the cost issues we have.
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yeah, those were part of his pillars. He also worked really really hard at improving employee to management relations. As far as the cost issues, I’m sure a lot of that was taken care of during their bankruptcies. I’m just waiting for something good to happen for all of us. It’s been about 7 years since a positive earnings call.
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[QUOTE=holiday;4007716]The employees need to be motivated and all rowing in the same direction. Taking away profit sharing is counter to that goal. They certainly have made an effort on the cost side of things though (like asking us to pack less underwear and switching to the cheap plastic uniform shirts).[/QUOTE]
That made me LOL!
That made me LOL!
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This year will be telling - but things seems to be moving in the right direction.
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It’s truly insane. Everyone’s QOL, Pay etc has been eroded and gutted thanks to management. Yeah let’s give them more and more time to figure it out, and let’s move the goal post further into the future for JetForward to work itself out. Sure.
#260
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
If a surgeon botches an operation and kills your family member, does it make it OK because he did a better job that you probably could have?
My standard for execs at my employer isn't what a line pilot with an aviation degree from riddle would have been able to accomplish in their shoes.
It might be fair to not get too far into the weeds with criticism... they do know the ins and and outs of business better than most of us (I was actually fortune 100 management track at one point, so I for one do know the basics). But the bottom-line results over years, contrasted with the rest of the industry is certainly fair game for rank and file investors and employees.
My gut feel is that an AS/B6 merger would be probably be better for both companies long-term. Economy of scale and geographic footprint. The combined entity would be close enough to the same league as the Big Four.
Would it be fun for employees? Probably not. Could AS pull it off, while still herding Hawaiian cats? Sounds like a big ask, but honestly the current team has done pretty well, with their biggest weakness being boeing which isn't entirely in their control.
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