Originally Posted by Kellwolf

* If you bid or are assigned the 320. If you get stuck on the 190, you'll probably be able to hold it as soon as your equipment lock is up. If you want FLL or LGB, bid whatever base you can on the 320. If you want MCO, I think the 190 is still the fastest way to the base.



And see, this is what gets me on union and company emails. Both swap things around to suit their needs. I don't really give a rats what my "value" was as a new hire. What is included in that figure? Cause in CASH, I was paid $2500 a month before tax. I could eat the free BBQ the first night and then free breakfast and the occasional manager reception at the Staybridge. I'm assuming those are included in the "value" since my pay was not $3571. Was my room also included in the "value?" All I know is I was not paid $3571 a month, yet the union is making it sound that way to prove some point I'm not aware of.

In fact, it's spelled out in the PEA. "Initial Training Pay. The Pilot shall receiver $2500 per month plus lodging during the pilot's initial training." So, we've either got people writing e-mails thinking our PEA has been changed without our knowledge, the company changing the PEA without our knowledge (which is illegal at this point) or our union leaders are spinning the data to rile people up. My bet? It's the last one, which is EXACTLY what I didn't want to happen and why I was hesitant on voting "yes" to ALPA in the first place.

So, my bet is the new "value" is based on lower costs involved with moving people over to the lodge. Instead of free breakfast and a manager's reception at the hotel (or not if you get stuck at the LaQuinta), they're offsetting it with a meal voucher. Personally, I don't really know since neither the union or the company has revealed what is included in a new hire's "value" past the check that gets cut. New hires will still get $2500 a month and apparently $26/day as a meal voucher on top of that. So, in fact, guys are getting more than we used to, but damn if the union isn't trying to make it sound like we're getting less.

Read between the lines people. Don't just blindly accept what the company OR the union tell you in some e-mail. Now, if the company DOES kill the $6k bonus, that's gonna be a bad move. The point of that was to avoid another mass lawsuit by changing new hire pay like we had a few years back, but it was also to make up for the fact that the first year guys weren't getting a raise. It also doubles as a retention "don't bail to Delta, please!" check. That needs to stay.

Originally Posted by rvr1800

I hate to be the bearer of bad news here but the average first year pay for United, American, Delta, Alaska, and Hawaiian is $53/hour.

Originally Posted by Kellwolf

* If you bid or are assigned the 320. If you get stuck on the 190, you'll probably be able to hold it as soon as your equipment lock is up. If you want FLL or LGB, bid whatever base you can on the 320. If you want MCO, I think the 190 is still the fastest way to the base.



And see, this is what gets me on union and company emails. Both swap things around to suit their needs. I don't really give a rats what my "value" was as a new hire. What is included in that figure? Cause in CASH, I was paid $2500 a month before tax. I could eat the free BBQ the first night and then free breakfast and the occasional manager reception at the Staybridge. I'm assuming those are included in the "value" since my pay was not $3571. Was my room also included in the "value?" All I know is I was not paid $3571 a month, yet the union is making it sound that way to prove some point I'm not aware of.

In fact, it's spelled out in the PEA. "Initial Training Pay. The Pilot shall receiver $2500 per month plus lodging during the pilot's initial training." So, we've either got people writing e-mails thinking our PEA has been changed without our knowledge, the company changing the PEA without our knowledge (which is illegal at this point) or our union leaders are spinning the data to rile people up. My bet? It's the last one, which is EXACTLY what I didn't want to happen and why I was hesitant on voting "yes" to ALPA in the first place.

So, my bet is the new "value" is based on lower costs involved with moving people over to the lodge. Instead of free breakfast and a manager's reception at the hotel (or not if you get stuck at the LaQuinta), they're offsetting it with a meal voucher. Personally, I don't really know since neither the union or the company has revealed what is included in a new hire's "value" past the check that gets cut. New hires will still get $2500 a month and apparently $26/day as a meal voucher on top of that. So, in fact, guys are getting more than we used to, but damn if the union isn't trying to make it sound like we're getting less.

Read between the lines people. Don't just blindly accept what the company OR the union tell you in some e-mail. Now, if the company DOES kill the $6k bonus, that's gonna be a bad move. The point of that was to avoid another mass lawsuit by changing new hire pay like we had a few years back, but it was also to make up for the fact that the first year guys weren't getting a raise. It also doubles as a retention "don't bail to Delta, please!" check. That needs to stay.

Originally Posted by Flying Elvis

Not sure where you get $53. Averaging those five airlines, even with Hawaiian's outlier rate, I get $60.60.

By airline size…
American - $78
DAL - $70
United - $66
SouthWest - $57
JetBlue - $49
Alaska - $53
Spirit - $38
Frontier - $37
Hawaiian - $36

Originally Posted by Kellwolf

* If you bid or are assigned the 320. If you get stuck on the 190, you'll probably be able to hold it as soon as your equipment lock is up. If you want FLL or LGB, bid whatever base you can on the 320. If you want MCO, I think the 190 is still the fastest way to the base.



And see, this is what gets me on union and company emails. Both swap things around to suit their needs. I don't really give a rats what my "value" was as a new hire. What is included in that figure? Cause in CASH, I was paid $2500 a month before tax. I could eat the free BBQ the first night and then free breakfast and the occasional manager reception at the Staybridge. I'm assuming those are included in the "value" since my pay was not $3571. Was my room also included in the "value?" All I know is I was not paid $3571 a month, yet the union is making it sound that way to prove some point I'm not aware of.

In fact, it's spelled out in the PEA. "Initial Training Pay. The Pilot shall receiver $2500 per month plus lodging during the pilot's initial training." So, we've either got people writing e-mails thinking our PEA has been changed without our knowledge, the company changing the PEA without our knowledge (which is illegal at this point) or our union leaders are spinning the data to rile people up. My bet? It's the last one, which is EXACTLY what I didn't want to happen and why I was hesitant on voting "yes" to ALPA in the first place.

So, my bet is the new "value" is based on lower costs involved with moving people over to the lodge. Instead of free breakfast and a manager's reception at the hotel (or not if you get stuck at the LaQuinta), they're offsetting it with a meal voucher. Personally, I don't really know since neither the union or the company has revealed what is included in a new hire's "value" past the check that gets cut. New hires will still get $2500 a month and apparently $26/day as a meal voucher on top of that. So, in fact, guys are getting more than we used to, but damn if the union isn't trying to make it sound like we're getting less.

Read between the lines people. Don't just blindly accept what the company OR the union tell you in some e-mail. Now, if the company DOES kill the $6k bonus, that's gonna be a bad move. The point of that was to avoid another mass lawsuit by changing new hire pay like we had a few years back, but it was also to make up for the fact that the first year guys weren't getting a raise. It also doubles as a retention "don't bail to Delta, please!" check. That needs to stay.

Originally Posted by DON*T HATE ERAU

Know for a fact that the $6000 bonus is gone. Straight from the union rep.

Originally Posted by embraerjetpilot

I was told American is now 74...but I don't have proof to show it.

So is training pay 2500 a month then? I was already worried about the money before.

Originally Posted by Sig178

No it's ~2800 for 41 days at the schoolhouse. It's over $700 less. A $1000 food credit at the lodge is suppose to make up for that.

Originally Posted by cencal83406

Color me confused as well. If you spend 2 weeks at the school house, you get $1250 (35 hours). So if you spend 4, $1250 more, do they not pay if you take 6+? Why do people take breaks? Seems silly to take it unpaid since we know what training pay is (per month).

I don't know where the $3500 number comes in, I sure never saw that much.