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Old 12-01-2015, 03:23 PM
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Pretty sure this was the brainchild of a VP who was also a quota hire at a legacy. The G7 pilots will have over twice the number of hours than this VP did when hired by that legacy. I'd guess that's how it was rationalized.

Two benefits to the company:

1. Negotiating power. The pilots don't want it. What will we give the company for them to terminate the program?

2. Cost savings. JB floats a loan to new student...about $100k. Student has money taken our of paycheck when they start...so instead of making $50k/yr they make $40k/yr. If they leave before loan is paid they owe the balance in full. A small interest rate would apply.

Gateway 7. Brought to you by an under-qualified quota-hire. Because experience doesn't really matter.

JB had over 3000 applications during the last application window. Yet they find it necessary to grab someone with absolutely no experience whatsoever. Mind boggling.
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Old 12-01-2015, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy View Post
Pretty sure this was the brainchild of a VP who was also a quota hire at a legacy. The G7 pilots will have over twice the number of hours than this VP did when hired by that legacy. I'd guess that's how it was rationalized.

Two benefits to the company:

1. Negotiating power. The pilots don't want it. What will we give the company for them to terminate the program?

2. Cost savings. JB floats a loan to new student...about $100k. Student has money taken our of paycheck when they start...so instead of making $50k/yr they make $40k/yr. If they leave before loan is paid they owe the balance in full. A small interest rate would apply.

Gateway 7. Brought to you by an under-qualified quota-hire. Because experience doesn't really matter.

JB had over 3000 applications during the last application window. Yet they find it necessary to grab someone with absolutely no experience whatsoever. Mind boggling.
Agree on all acounts! The worst part is that all these different news outlets are publishing JetBlue Hiring Pilots With No Experience. I beleive this is hurting our brand!
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Old 12-02-2015, 05:39 AM
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Maybe JB is just trying to get ahead of the game when all hell breaks loose and there are no qualified pilots besides the few that are going to the big 3. Seems like a hedge for the future.
This. With all the retirements at the majors over the next 10 years, there will be a shortage of qualified pilots even to get to the majors. I would hazard a guess and say JetBlue realizes this and is taking steps to mitigate it. Will it work? Who knows? It personally seems to me like this is a step to entice people to look into the career who might not have otherwise looked into it. Ask yourselves, when you had 0 time, wouldn't it be nice to know that you have a career progression path instead of paying out hundreds of thousands on the chance that you won't get stuck at a regional for 9 years as a first officer making $45K? It seems like everyone is upset because of the "I had to go through it, so should everyone else" mentality. These G7ers still have to get all the ratings and get some experience at the regionals before coming on full time.

For all the guys posting their qualifications and times: do you really think there is someone who is going over EVERY application, looks at yours specifically, and denies it? Come on, man, don't be so narcissistic. It's not a slap in the face that you have all this experience and they rejected you - it's more likely a function of LUCK. Nobody really knows how one application gets picked over another, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a program that takes every 25th, 50th, 100th, etc. and then has a human check credentials, then that person gets a call for an interview.

And before I get flamed, no, I am not management, I was not involved in the development of the program. I'm just an independent thinker who can see through the groupthink mentality to arrive at my own conclusions.
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Old 12-02-2015, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Chrisx2 View Post
This. With all the retirements at the majors over the next 10 years, there will be a shortage of qualified pilots even to get to the majors. I would hazard a guess and say JetBlue realizes this and is taking steps to mitigate it. Will it work? Who knows? It personally seems to me like this is a step to entice people to look into the career who might not have otherwise looked into it. Ask yourselves, when you had 0 time, wouldn't it be nice to know that you have a career progression path instead of paying out hundreds of thousands on the chance that you won't get stuck at a regional for 9 years as a first officer making $45K? It seems like everyone is upset because of the "I had to go through it, so should everyone else" mentality. These G7ers still have to get all the ratings and get some experience at the regionals before coming on full time.



For all the guys posting their qualifications and times: do you really think there is someone who is going over EVERY application, looks at yours specifically, and denies it? Come on, man, don't be so narcissistic. It's not a slap in the face that you have all this experience and they rejected you - it's more likely a function of LUCK. Nobody really knows how one application gets picked over another, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a program that takes every 25th, 50th, 100th, etc. and then has a human check credentials, then that person gets a call for an interview.



And before I get flamed, no, I am not management, I was not involved in the development of the program. I'm just an independent thinker who can see through the groupthink mentality to arrive at my own conclusions.

Exactly. And all the details are not out yet...everyone is just speculating without having all of it..like the news. I'm not at JB and also have an app in. The way I see it, it's a way to become a pro pilot that MAY work and have people take an interest in this career. Will it be good for the industry ? I don't know but I'll await more details to confirm/clear away suspicions about the potential negative effects. Anyone have more information to post? That article title sure doesn't help...what a crock.




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Old 12-02-2015, 06:26 AM
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Anyone heard the drop for today's new class?
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Old 12-02-2015, 06:54 AM
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Anyone heard the drop for today's new class?
33Total New Hires
11 JFK 320
The rest 190 JFK/BOS
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Old 12-02-2015, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 2FAST4U View Post
33Total New Hires
11 JFK 320
The rest 190 JFK/BOS
Wow, 22 190 slots is the most I've seen in a long time.
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Where's my system bid! ? Lol
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Tomorrow morning at the latest!
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And before I get flamed, no, I am not management, I was not involved in the development of the program. I'm just an independent thinker who can see through the groupthink mentality to arrive at my own conclusions.
So if we don't agree with your side of the argument it's group think? This program is absolutely unnecessary. Do you see all the regionals starting programs like this? They are the ones who will be effected (affected?) by any "pilot shortage". We all know however that there is not ever going to be a pilot shortage in the top 5 US carriers.

You may not be management but you do work at OSC in the training department correct? You will be, or already do, work alongside those molding this program. So maybe the one suffering from "group think" is yourself from your time spent there.
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