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02-23-2016 | 03:24 PM
#6911
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2011
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Hey PortlySusan, welcome to the Blue!
As another RSV, regarding on time, we don't necessarily get called out for the on time or great weather stuff; usually when us lowly reserves get called its for a flight segment where something has gone wrong (weather, pilot timing out, sick, I'm not telling you anything you don't know). So I can see why things could seem to be consistently late from a clean up batters perspective.
What regional were you at before?
Only been here about 3 years, definitely room for improvement, but I'm happy and here for the long run (I think :-) ).
Tex
As another RSV, regarding on time, we don't necessarily get called out for the on time or great weather stuff; usually when us lowly reserves get called its for a flight segment where something has gone wrong (weather, pilot timing out, sick, I'm not telling you anything you don't know). So I can see why things could seem to be consistently late from a clean up batters perspective.
What regional were you at before?
Only been here about 3 years, definitely room for improvement, but I'm happy and here for the long run (I think :-) ).
Tex
So a few quick observations for those considering JB, I've been here about 6 months. Previous I was an 11yr RJ CA.
1. JB is not an on time airline, nor do they claim to be. Almost all of your flights will be late. Some by a little, some by a lot.
2. Scheduling will push you harder than your regional, but will relent if you put up a fight.
3. Everyone really is happy that you at JB and will go out of their way to make that point.
4. Relations between the company and the pilot group are a bit frayed at the moment and IMO the tone of our MEC is very belligerent.
5. Given the trend of the industry, pay is low, especially training pay.
6. I'm happy here and have no apps in elsewhere.
7. I enjoyed my time at the lodge.
1. JB is not an on time airline, nor do they claim to be. Almost all of your flights will be late. Some by a little, some by a lot.
2. Scheduling will push you harder than your regional, but will relent if you put up a fight.
3. Everyone really is happy that you at JB and will go out of their way to make that point.
4. Relations between the company and the pilot group are a bit frayed at the moment and IMO the tone of our MEC is very belligerent.
5. Given the trend of the industry, pay is low, especially training pay.
6. I'm happy here and have no apps in elsewhere.
7. I enjoyed my time at the lodge.
02-23-2016 | 05:27 PM
#6912
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 363
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Your question really doesn't have a reference to the FSM...
But there's no real good answer either. It's a total crap shoot and depends on which base, which plane, weekends on/off, is there an IROP coming, AM/PM?
just... for the love of god, be available when you get called so they don't have to fire another pilot for being stupid.
But there's no real good answer either. It's a total crap shoot and depends on which base, which plane, weekends on/off, is there an IROP coming, AM/PM?
just... for the love of god, be available when you get called so they don't have to fire another pilot for being stupid.
Actually there is reference to the FSM. The answer is;
You will be bypassed for the assignment of known open time. That means what they assign starting at 7am the day before. That is completed by 12pm.
You will be used for unknown open time, either today or tomorrow, in a first in, first out order, as long as you are legal. Nothing to do with credit or seniority.
So, when a pairing is there before 7am the day before, they use credit, when a paring pops up after that, they go by start time of RAP.
Seniority is only the last tiebreaker in both cases.
You can reference all that in the flow charts at the end of the FSM.
Basically, CaptCool was right, it is a crap shot, and you have no way to know what will happen today, or tomorrow for most part.
I know you will be nominating me for TOTD but I have to insist, please read your FSM, for yourself and all of us. You have to be able to stand your ground if they call you violating the few rules we have. But if you don't know them, you can't defend yourself.
When I was fresh out of OE:
I got two hours call out for LGA.
Got assigned pairings two hours from initial call attempt.
Shorten my SCL to give me a pairing next day, without my consent.
Got an assignment before 8am the following day after a red eye.
Got a call at 4pm to convert LCR to SCL the following day.
I did not know, and I took all that.
But no more. I read the FSM.
Sorry for the long post...
02-23-2016 | 05:53 PM
#6913
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 111
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BlueBlood, I didn't realize they would be bypassed for the assignment of Known Opentime. I also don't see that in the flow chart in section J. Mind helping me out?
Thanks.
Edit: I think what you meant to say was not that they would be bypassed for Known Opentime, but would PROBABLY not be assigned Known Opentime based upon their credit in relation to others in their bucket.
If they are the lowest credit in their bucket (such as the only person in their bucket, or another Hybrid holder with more credit), they could still be assigned Known Opentime and not bypassed and only subject to Unknown Opentime.
Is that what you meant?
Hopefully we're all learning a new CBA in the not so distant future!
Tex
Thanks.
Edit: I think what you meant to say was not that they would be bypassed for Known Opentime, but would PROBABLY not be assigned Known Opentime based upon their credit in relation to others in their bucket.
If they are the lowest credit in their bucket (such as the only person in their bucket, or another Hybrid holder with more credit), they could still be assigned Known Opentime and not bypassed and only subject to Unknown Opentime.
Is that what you meant?
Hopefully we're all learning a new CBA in the not so distant future!
Tex
If I understood his question correctly; "what are the chances to be used when already have credit from hybrid"
Actually there is reference to the FSM. The answer is;
You will be bypassed for the assignment of known open time. That means what they assign starting at 7am the day before. That is completed by 12pm.
You will be used for unknown open time, either today or tomorrow, in a first in, first out order, as long as you are legal. Nothing to do with credit or seniority.
So, when a pairing is there before 7am the day before, they use credit, when a paring pops up after that, they go by start time of RAP.
Seniority is only the last tiebreaker in both cases.
You can reference all that in the flow charts at the end of the FSM.
Basically, CaptCool was right, it is a crap shot, and you have no way to know what will happen today, or tomorrow for most part.
I know you will be nominating me for TOTD but I have to insist, please read your FSM, for yourself and all of us. You have to be able to stand your ground if they call you violating the few rules we have. But if you don't know them, you can't defend yourself.
When I was fresh out of OE:
I got two hours call out for LGA.
Got assigned pairings two hours from initial call attempt.
Shorten my SCL to give me a pairing next day, without my consent.
Got an assignment before 8am the following day after a red eye.
Got a call at 4pm to convert LCR to SCL the following day.
I did not know, and I took all that.
But no more. I read the FSM.
Sorry for the long post...
Actually there is reference to the FSM. The answer is;
You will be bypassed for the assignment of known open time. That means what they assign starting at 7am the day before. That is completed by 12pm.
You will be used for unknown open time, either today or tomorrow, in a first in, first out order, as long as you are legal. Nothing to do with credit or seniority.
So, when a pairing is there before 7am the day before, they use credit, when a paring pops up after that, they go by start time of RAP.
Seniority is only the last tiebreaker in both cases.
You can reference all that in the flow charts at the end of the FSM.
Basically, CaptCool was right, it is a crap shot, and you have no way to know what will happen today, or tomorrow for most part.
I know you will be nominating me for TOTD but I have to insist, please read your FSM, for yourself and all of us. You have to be able to stand your ground if they call you violating the few rules we have. But if you don't know them, you can't defend yourself.
When I was fresh out of OE:
I got two hours call out for LGA.
Got assigned pairings two hours from initial call attempt.
Shorten my SCL to give me a pairing next day, without my consent.
Got an assignment before 8am the following day after a red eye.
Got a call at 4pm to convert LCR to SCL the following day.
I did not know, and I took all that.
But no more. I read the FSM.
Sorry for the long post...
Last edited by texpilot; 02-23-2016 at 06:30 PM.
02-24-2016 | 04:09 AM
#6914
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Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 660
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System bid in the beginning of March correct? Also, I have April transition, if I'm awarded something different on this system bid, will they cancel my training or is it too late? Not sure when the cutoff would be.
02-24-2016 | 04:43 AM
#6916
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Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 363
Likes: 0
BlueBlood, I didn't realize they would be bypassed for the assignment of Known Opentime. I also don't see that in the flow chart in section J. Mind helping me out?
Thanks.
Edit: I think what you meant to say was not that they would be bypassed for Known Opentime, but would PROBABLY not be assigned Known Opentime based upon their credit in relation to others in their bucket.
If they are the lowest credit in their bucket (such as the only person in their bucket, or another Hybrid holder with more credit), they could still be assigned Known Opentime and not bypassed and only subject to Unknown Opentime.
Is that what you meant?
Hopefully we're all learning a new CBA in the not so distant future!
Tex
Thanks.
Edit: I think what you meant to say was not that they would be bypassed for Known Opentime, but would PROBABLY not be assigned Known Opentime based upon their credit in relation to others in their bucket.
If they are the lowest credit in their bucket (such as the only person in their bucket, or another Hybrid holder with more credit), they could still be assigned Known Opentime and not bypassed and only subject to Unknown Opentime.
Is that what you meant?
Hopefully we're all learning a new CBA in the not so distant future!
Tex
I am glad to see you are digging into the FSM
02-24-2016 | 04:56 AM
#6917
SDQ Base Chief
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,057
Likes: 34
From: 320 CA
The whispers haven't been optimistic in terms of upgrades on this bid...
02-24-2016 | 05:05 AM
#6918
Line Holder
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 66
Likes: 0
02-24-2016 | 05:23 AM
#6919
Line Holder
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
I hope you don't
02-24-2016 | 06:25 AM
#6920
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Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,083
Likes: 10
Not sure if anyone here can answer this. I have a day pass for Saturday for the WAI Conference. This is the last day of the conference where there's no fast-passes for any airlines. Does anyone know if that still means I'll be able to walk up to the JetBlue booth and meet with a recruiter that day? Or should I make plans to attend on one of the fast-pass days.
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