jetBlue Hiring
03-31-2017, 07:35 AM
#9861
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Originally Posted by Southerner
My frustration with some of the rhetoric on here is that JetBlue management very clearly wants a certain kind of airline. And you guys are mad that the airline they want is different from what you want/expect. You're frustration is centered around that. You want to be more like Delta. JetBlue management wants to be less like Delta.
So when I say that you should apply to Delta if that's the case, it's not because I'm being snarky. I'm being serious. We aren't that. We never will be that. I hope that our pay, work rules, and benefits more closely align after the CBA, but we will still be an airline run by a management that doesn't want to look like a legacy carrier. So why not go where you seem to desire to be? Even if we get an industry leading contract, you're still going to be annoyed at the company when they send out communications that are typical JetBlue. Don't you want to work somewhere that you agree with philosophically, deep down?
So as I've said before, you don't have to hate JetBlue to want a good CBA. If you do hate JetBlue, I don't believe a good CBA will fix that for you, because it isn't the current contract that you hate.
And with that gentlemen, I'm out. If you want to talk with me, send me a PM. I'll even buy you a beer when you come through MCO sometime.
So when I say that you should apply to Delta if that's the case, it's not because I'm being snarky. I'm being serious. We aren't that. We never will be that. I hope that our pay, work rules, and benefits more closely align after the CBA, but we will still be an airline run by a management that doesn't want to look like a legacy carrier. So why not go where you seem to desire to be? Even if we get an industry leading contract, you're still going to be annoyed at the company when they send out communications that are typical JetBlue. Don't you want to work somewhere that you agree with philosophically, deep down?
So as I've said before, you don't have to hate JetBlue to want a good CBA. If you do hate JetBlue, I don't believe a good CBA will fix that for you, because it isn't the current contract that you hate.
And with that gentlemen, I'm out. If you want to talk with me, send me a PM. I'll even buy you a beer when you come through MCO sometime.
There are other corporations out there with similar "values"-based management strategies who *actually* believe in them and don't apply them cynically. They have great profit margins (sound familiar?) and compensate their workers handsomely with industry leading healthcare and wages (sorry that one probably doesn't sound familiar unless you chat with friends at other airlines). Must be nice to work for a company like that! If LSC decides not to abide by their values and invest in their employees, this place will be unrecognizable from any of the legacies in the near future. In which case, why even stay here? (You gotta wonder if everyone in OSC is blind to this fact from all the blue juice.)
I was already down in Orlando this year (the management visit to recurrent was incredibly pathetic
) but maybe next time around. Cheers mate.
03-31-2017, 07:40 AM
#9862
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Originally Posted by Skyward
What are the outstanding sections that haven't been agreed to yet? What sections have been TA'd? Just trying to get an idea of the battle that still looms.
I'm well above the mins and trying to decide if I should drop an app in or wait for something else.
I'm well above the mins and trying to decide if I should drop an app in or wait for something else.
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03-31-2017, 07:58 AM
#9863
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Originally Posted by atrdriver
Sections yet to be TA'd:
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03-31-2017, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
... but at the end, all/most will be completed at the same time.
Sometime this summer or next or the next we should know for maybe.
03-31-2017, 08:16 AM
#9865
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork
This also means they may not be completed and the dominos may not fall.
Sometime this summer or next or the next we should know for maybe.
Sometime this summer or next or the next we should know for maybe.
They'll be completed and the dominoes will fall. Only question is when.
03-31-2017, 08:27 AM
#9866
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For all those in the pipe line or considering coming here you must realize one thing about OSC versus the line. OSC is a wonderful facility for a new hire. You are submerged in bluejuice, surrounded by new hires from all different departments, lodging in a young and hip environment. The excitement and youthful exuberance draws you in and by the time you hit the line Jetblue, in your opinion, is a pretty cool place.
Then you get out on line, begin to pay attention to the daily operation and the constant changes and reality begins to set in.
Keep in mind OSC is designed to train and indoctrinate the employee and it works rather well. OSC is a completely separate entity designed more by a marketing company than an airline. It does its job. Get there, take everything with a grain of salt and reserve judgement until you have had time to digest the experience.
Then you get out on line, begin to pay attention to the daily operation and the constant changes and reality begins to set in.
Keep in mind OSC is designed to train and indoctrinate the employee and it works rather well. OSC is a completely separate entity designed more by a marketing company than an airline. It does its job. Get there, take everything with a grain of salt and reserve judgement until you have had time to digest the experience.
03-31-2017, 08:54 AM
#9868
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jetBlue Hiring
I'm based in MCO and fly with instructors from the school house frequently. I also have flown with many former instructors.
It doesn't take long for the former instructors to realize what's happening on the line and they sound just like salty old line guys within a few months.
You can not work at OSC and have a true perspective of what's happening on the line. Flying a few times a month on good weather days, out of a base your seniority otherwise couldn't even come close to holding, doesn't cut it.
Asking the guys coming through recurrent doesn't count either. I can't tell you how many times I've heard my sim partners complaining on the line and then putting on the blue mask while in the OSC building. There is always that element of cooperate, graduate going on.
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It doesn't take long for the former instructors to realize what's happening on the line and they sound just like salty old line guys within a few months.
You can not work at OSC and have a true perspective of what's happening on the line. Flying a few times a month on good weather days, out of a base your seniority otherwise couldn't even come close to holding, doesn't cut it.
Asking the guys coming through recurrent doesn't count either. I can't tell you how many times I've heard my sim partners complaining on the line and then putting on the blue mask while in the OSC building. There is always that element of cooperate, graduate going on.
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03-31-2017, 10:07 AM
#9870
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Realize that many/most of these sections are inter-related and, as the NC chairman said, they're lining up like dominoes......expect not to have many sections TAd individually, but at the end, all/most will be completed at the same time.
Now would you agree that staffing is the only incentive for B6 to bring this home?
How much do they save a year with this substandard contract?
That answered, until B6 cant staff airplanes, theyll run a skeleton op with few upgrades.
(-12) reserve grid for April 1st-nice start for the busy season
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