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Old 12-17-2020 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by capt707
Have to see the full language, but just based on the bullet points, it's a No. A furlough would cost them more than this entire AIP!
that’s the spirit.
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Old 12-17-2020 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by capt707
Have to see the full language, but just based on the bullet points, it's a No. A furlough would cost them more than this entire AIP!
Agreed. Shut it down. Then burn it down. Then open it back up. Then shut it down again.
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Old 12-17-2020 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
Agreed. Shut it down. Then burn it down. Then open it back up. Then shut it down again.
agreed with your agreement. Every other company went on reduced lines and pay? JetBlue comes back says LOA12 not going to get extended and we are going to give you a 2% pay raise for 2022? Yah burn it to the ground.
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Old 12-17-2020 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
Agreed. Shut it down. Then burn it down. Then open it back up. Then shut it down again.
after you shut it down again, do you plan on burning it down again?
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Old 12-17-2020 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by capt707
Have to see the full language, but just based on the bullet points, it's a No. A furlough would cost them more than this entire AIP!
What don't you like?
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Old 12-17-2020 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
What don't you like?
sounds like no logic just wants to teach the company a lesson that furlough cost more.
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Old 12-17-2020 | 11:28 AM
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What’s up with the “wet lease” language in the AA agreement that’s been floated around? Anyone heard anything more about this?
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Old 12-17-2020 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Ted Striker
What’s up with the “wet lease” language in the AA agreement that’s been floated around? Anyone heard anything more about this?
to me that sounds like how it benefits JetBlue pilot group. All the flying they want to do out of LGA and LAX. I don’t think it’s a bad thing for jetblue
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Old 12-17-2020 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
What don't you like?

The company approached us, that leaves the leverage in our hands.

Depending on what exactly we give up in scope, will determine if our return is worth it.

Do those bullet points have you fired up, because you can put me down has pretty underwhelmed.

I’m waiting for the final language on the scope stuff, but it better be a pretty small ask from the company.


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Old 12-17-2020 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ted Striker
What’s up with the “wet lease” language in the AA agreement that’s been floated around? Anyone heard anything more about this?

The definition of JV is broad under CODE 41720

41720. Joint venture agreements
(a) Definitions.—In this section, the following definitions apply:
(1) Joint venture agreement.—The term "joint venture agreement" means an agreement between two or more major air carriers on or after January 1, 1998, with regard to (A) code-sharing, blocked-space arrangements, long-term wet leases (as defined in section 207.1 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations) of a substantial number (as defined by the Secretary by regulation) of aircraft, or frequent flyer programs, or (B) any other cooperative working arrangement (as defined by the Secretary by regulation) between 2 or more major air carriers that affects more than 15 percent of the total number of available seat miles offered by the major air carriers.
(2) Major air carrier.—The term "major air carrier" means a passenger air carrier that is certificated under chapter 411 of this title and included in Carrier Group III under criteria contained in section 04 of part 241 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations.


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