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Old 12-17-2020, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
I'm voting NO!




Should have got 10% and a signing bonus, during a pandemic.



Overall looks fine to me. Glad to see the FLICA ladies of the night being potentially addressed.

I don’t think I see the flica stuff? It appears to me it’s just make upgrades to flica? Maybe I’m not understanding that part
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Old 12-17-2020, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4 View Post
I don’t think I see the flica stuff? It appears to me it’s just make upgrades to flica? Maybe I’m not understanding that part
I believe this part is to foil the Bot boys and FLICA refreshers:

"Pairing-specific waiting room."
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Old 12-17-2020, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
I believe this part is to foil the Bot boys and FLICA refreshers:

"Pairing-specific waiting room."
does the waiting room only happen one time? Whatever’s it’s called, FCFS?
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Old 12-17-2020, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4 View Post
does the waiting room only happen one time? Whatever’s it’s called, FCFS?
I don't KNOW for sure, but what I would envision is when a pairing is dropped from CS to FLICA it will first go to a newly created holding window (pairing-specific waiting room) where it will sit for a set time, maybe 5 mins, while it generates an alert to all pilots who have set up an alert.

Then, when the timer for that pairing hits zero, it will drop into FCFS.

It would be like the opening seconds of the monthly FCFS but it will happen continuously for each new pairing dropped to FLICA.

Still FCFS, doesn't require a contract change, and foils the Bot boys and FLICA refreshers who get pairings before the rest of the world ever knew they existed.
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Old 12-17-2020, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
I don't KNOW for sure, but what I would envision is when a pairing is dropped from CS to FLICA it will first go to a newly created holding window (pairing-specific waiting room) where it will sit for a set time, maybe 5 mins, while it generates an alert to all pilots who have set up an alert.

Then, when the timer for that pairing hits zero, it will drop into FCFS.

It would be like the opening seconds of the monthly FCFS but it will happen continuously for each new pairing dropped to FLICA.

Still FCFS, doesn't require a contract change, and foils the Bot boys and FLICA refreshers who get pairings before the rest of the world ever knew they existed.
cool so finally I can at least see the trip in open time VS never seeing it
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Old 12-17-2020, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4 View Post
cool so finally I can at least see the trip in open time VS never seeing it
Yes... It's the transparency and equal opportunity we never had.

If what I said above is what's happening.
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Old 12-17-2020, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by chitolin View Post
Check the potato farm. Full of NOs there


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I don’t go on there, but I can’t see anything on this AIP that would compel someone to say NO straight away.
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Old 12-17-2020, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins View Post
I don’t go on there, but I can’t see anything on this AIP that would compel someone to say NO straight away.
Some arguments that the exto can be withdrawn whenever flying picks up and we're saving their AA agreement for not much else in return. Some fair points on BP. And plenty of NOs.
Let's see the terms.
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Old 12-17-2020, 07:58 AM
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The details of scope relief will determine whether this is a yes or no. The bennies are nice to have but nothing game changing. The lack of profit sharing changes in particular is galling. I couldn't say if I like it until I read the actual agreement. But if it permanently weakens scope, vs a waiver only because of the pandemic downturn, it means a hard no.
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Old 12-17-2020, 08:05 AM
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Yea the details on the scope language will be crucial.
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