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05-21-2019 | 10:00 AM
#7981
The REAL Bluedriver
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From: Airbus Capt
I think that the number of CBA's a company has.....is important.
Did Delta have everything in the first contract that they have in the last? AA? United?
The first contract is the foundation of which all future CBA's that a company has is based off of just that .......the 1st one?
The above airlines don't have the scope that we have.
We announce a new city or a new aircraft no guessing....Jetblue ALPA Pilots will be doing the flying.
I am glad we did not follow any of the above airlines on their scope or their current CBA. We gave them something to strive for....
We have a good foundation SCOPE in our first CBA certainly not our last. Hopefully they can learn what we did on your first contract which they don't have in their #(enter current CBA edition).
Did Delta have everything in the first contract that they have in the last? AA? United?
The first contract is the foundation of which all future CBA's that a company has is based off of just that .......the 1st one?
The above airlines don't have the scope that we have.
We announce a new city or a new aircraft no guessing....Jetblue ALPA Pilots will be doing the flying.
I am glad we did not follow any of the above airlines on their scope or their current CBA. We gave them something to strive for....
We have a good foundation SCOPE in our first CBA certainly not our last. Hopefully they can learn what we did on your first contract which they don't have in their #(enter current CBA edition).
And, as for the number of contracts, when Delta, UAL, etc filed bankruptcy and took major concessions, they couldn't hold on to their great contracts simply because it took them 40-60-80 years to build or because it was contract 15.0. It's a factor, but not a deciding factor unless you all set your expectations so low because you think you don't deserve parity.
Just my opinion.
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05-21-2019 | 10:01 AM
#7982
Banned
Joined: Dec 2009
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From: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
I think that the number of CBA's a company has.....is important.
Did Delta have everything in the first contract that they have in the last? AA? United?
The first contract is the foundation of which all future CBA's that a company has is based off of just that .......the 1st one?
The above airlines don't have the scope that we have.
We announce a new city or a new aircraft no guessing....Jetblue ALPA Pilots will be doing the flying.
I am glad we did not follow any of the above airlines on their scope or their current CBA. We gave them something to strive for....
We have a good foundation SCOPE in our first CBA certainly not our last. Hopefully they can learn what we did on your first contract which they don't have in their #(enter current CBA edition).
Did Delta have everything in the first contract that they have in the last? AA? United?
The first contract is the foundation of which all future CBA's that a company has is based off of just that .......the 1st one?
The above airlines don't have the scope that we have.
We announce a new city or a new aircraft no guessing....Jetblue ALPA Pilots will be doing the flying.
I am glad we did not follow any of the above airlines on their scope or their current CBA. We gave them something to strive for....
We have a good foundation SCOPE in our first CBA certainly not our last. Hopefully they can learn what we did on your first contract which they don't have in their #(enter current CBA edition).
After running each CBAs through BK's, the Legacy mgmts have been better able to modernize them at a rapid pace, stripping pensions, line bidding, and all kinds of scope relaxations, and QOL inefficiencies out of the CBA's to better "compete". This last 8 years has finally changed the supply/demand ratio to the pilots favor allowing them to finally achieve just some of what they lost, back.
05-21-2019 | 02:06 PM
#7984
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2016
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That’s irrelevant. CBAs are negotiated based on the current negotiating environment (ie “market rate”). The number of CBAs or longevity of a union on property (or age of an airline for that matter) does not relate in any way to the quality of a CBA.
Give me one example in any airline contract comparison guide that compares number of CBAs. I’ll save you some time: there aren’t any.
Give me one example in any airline contract comparison guide that compares number of CBAs. I’ll save you some time: there aren’t any.
Yes, market has influence. So does a company's profitability. And so does what a pilot group is willing to negotiate to. CBA #1 here was far better than no CBA, and that's why the majority voted for it.
Negotiators and especially mediators use historical data to determine what can be had by pilot group X today.
Don't despair though, we can make improvements next round, if only we try.
05-21-2019 | 02:12 PM
#7985
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I hesitate to waste my time answering someone who couldn't even figure out why JB pilots don't have an LOA to improve Profit Sharing yet. And then when someone explains it to them, you barely acknowledge it, and grossly misread the answer...
But here goes. Guys complain that if the habitual VDA/RSA crowd would stop then the entire group could all enjoy better QOL via improved company staffing and more upgrades. If line-holders/senior pilots stopped volunteering to be the company's reserve pilots on their days off, the company would be forced to plus up staffing in both seats to have ACTUAL reserves. That's their argument, which I don't exactly disagree with. But, when not in a Labor Dispute, it's not a particular hot button of mine.
MY point is, the habitual RSA/VDA crowd very much like their 120+ hours a month and don't WANT staffing fixed, even if much of the group does. They don't WANT proper staffing and 80 hours a month, they want ****-poor staffing and 120+ hours a month.
I know you struggle with basic concepts of communication and logic, but do you need this explained further or are you still as confused as you were trying to understand why JB pilots didn't already have an LOA to improve Profit Sharing?
But here goes. Guys complain that if the habitual VDA/RSA crowd would stop then the entire group could all enjoy better QOL via improved company staffing and more upgrades. If line-holders/senior pilots stopped volunteering to be the company's reserve pilots on their days off, the company would be forced to plus up staffing in both seats to have ACTUAL reserves. That's their argument, which I don't exactly disagree with. But, when not in a Labor Dispute, it's not a particular hot button of mine.
MY point is, the habitual RSA/VDA crowd very much like their 120+ hours a month and don't WANT staffing fixed, even if much of the group does. They don't WANT proper staffing and 80 hours a month, they want ****-poor staffing and 120+ hours a month.
I know you struggle with basic concepts of communication and logic, but do you need this explained further or are you still as confused as you were trying to understand why JB pilots didn't already have an LOA to improve Profit Sharing?
05-21-2019 | 02:36 PM
#7986
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
Nothing to say about the actual topic of discussion?
05-21-2019 | 03:09 PM
#7987
Line Holder
Joined: Jul 2011
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Looks like you lost the battle of WITS to autocorrect.
05-21-2019 | 07:57 PM
#7989
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2016
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05-27-2019 | 05:26 PM
#7990
On Reserve
Joined: Apr 2019
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Does JetBlue allow Beards, for at least guys with medical skin conditions? I have a short 3/8 inch, well groomed beard. I am currently in the military and have had it for the last 10 years, since I was diagnosed. I know there was a study done in Canada that busted the myth of not being able to obtain a proper seal on aviation O2 masks. I get fitted every other year for masks in the military, both positive pressure and Chemical / Biological. Its one of those 15 minute seal tests, where you have to read out of a book while moving your head in multiple uncomfortable positions. The machine says I get a good seal every time.
I know other countries airlines allow beards, and I know Hawaiian allows them, but was unsure about JetBlue, or any others.
Any info would be appreciated (except your personal opinion on why you don't like beards)
I know other countries airlines allow beards, and I know Hawaiian allows them, but was unsure about JetBlue, or any others.
Any info would be appreciated (except your personal opinion on why you don't like beards)
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