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07-16-2020, 10:51 AM

#9031

hockeypilot44

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Originally Posted by nuball5

The precedent was set a long time ago when the Legacies outsourced their flying to the regionals. They still have to grow JetBlue pilot block hours if they want to enter these new codeshare agreements and allows us all to keep our jobs until the end of April with no “act of god” provision in terms of furlough pay.

Got it. Since furloughs are involved, policy manual doesn't matter.

07-16-2020, 10:56 AM

#9032

Roy Biggins

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

So Jetblue pilots gave up scope and 5 hours per month for the reserves without even getting to vote on it? If that's not setting a bad precedent, I don't know what is.

Is this a bad joke? Bro, half your flying is outsourced. Where the hell are you getting ‘we gave up scope’ from? And the 5 hours comes with 2 more days off with snap backs in place. Again, to sit home and do nothing. I haven’t flown since the beginning of May. Our union hit this one out of the park. They literally could not have done a better job.

07-16-2020, 11:03 AM

#9033

usmc-sgt

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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins

1 day of reserve equals 4.12 hours of pay. This is essentially 2 days off with a gain of 3.24 hours for it. While I’d rather have my 5 hours back vs 2 days off, if it’s part of the puzzle that keeps pilots gainfully employed I’ll gladly take the 7 month hit.

07-16-2020, 11:09 AM

#9034

daOldMan

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Originally Posted by GPullR

No, they aren't. They know they've never been able to figure out NYC. Now you can feed their intl markets with more lift then eagle.

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Yes, we are! JetBlue pilots get furlough protection until March of ‘21 and 2500 AA pilots just got WARN notices because of this deal. Undercutting other pilots!

07-16-2020, 11:29 AM

#9035

Blue Dude

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Originally Posted by daOldMan

Yes, we are! JetBlue pilots get furlough protection until March of ‘21 and 2500 AA pilots just got WARN notices because of this deal. Undercutting other pilots!

Your train wreck of an operation isn't our fault. We're going to feed more passengers to your widebodies than you could have done yourselves, thereby preserving some of *your* jobs that would otherwise be lost. And it doesn't cost you a thin dime. You're welcome!

07-16-2020, 11:30 AM

#9036

daOldMan

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Originally Posted by Blue Dude

It doesn't cost a dime...just a few hundred pilot jobs.

07-16-2020, 11:33 AM

#9037

disenchantMINT

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Originally Posted by daOldMan

Yes, we are! JetBlue pilots get furlough protection until March of ‘21 and 2500 AA pilots just got WARN notices because of this deal. Undercutting other pilots!

2500 AA pilots were going to get WARN notices anyway (have you heard of this new coronavirus pandemic? It might be bad for air travel). Perhaps a few more would have gotten notices without this deal which supports your additional widebody lift out of JFK. If you didn't want a deal like this, why does your contract allow it? Your pilot group presumably negotiated for something else in exchange for allowing management to make a deal like this.

07-16-2020, 11:37 AM

#9038

SaintNick

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Originally Posted by daOldMan

Yes, we are! JetBlue pilots get furlough protection until March of ‘21 and 2500 AA pilots just got WARN notices because of this deal. Undercutting other pilots!

they were getting it no matter what. Sorry buddy we gave up nothing for this. We secured extra protection to allow a codeshare

07-16-2020, 11:42 AM

#9039

Cujo665

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Who was it that said never let a bad event go to waste. Sounds like a good time to buy an airline; especially one where you've been dumping routes that overlap them for years....

07-16-2020, 11:44 AM

#9040

Softpayman

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Understandably there are people in the industry who are upset/frustrated. Then they look over and see JB not experiencing the same thing and lash out. Sorry but 5 hours for RSV pilots at JB ain't exactly earth shattering considering the alternative...That wasn't the linchpin that got 2500 AA pilots WARN letters.