I can't recommend JetBlue at this time
04-19-2017 | 11:18 AM
#391
The REAL Bluedriver
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From: Airbus Capt
When did I say it's really not that bad? Quote me
It's not all jr 190 FOs many of my FOs have been senior to me.
But I guess only the Airbus captains get to have valid opinions and how great is it that it is just like yours.(yes I know you will tell me they are senior and have lived through the JetBlue lies so they know)
Now it only took 3 votes to get in a union.
Dude when you applied and took a job here.
We were non union, we were paid less vs our peers, our vacation was bad, we had our current pto system, we had no retirements, we had the same bases, we had meltdowns, our company was obsessed about image and nps, our per diem hasn't changed, we were looked at by the real airlines as a second tier airline, a good chunk of our super senior captains couldn't get hired elsewhere, our retirement was bad, work rules changed via email and so on. A big chunk of the stuff that makes you so mad now was reality when YOU accepted a job here. I also accepted the job because as I have said it was a good place to wait (better than the regionals)and I still say that. You and I got lucky and moved up the list quick to have either a nice senior airbus FO sked or a very junior captain. So for me things have worked out but you better believe I voted yes. I know things need to change. I was answering a question about how negative things are. I don't see it as much as you do but that is me. I still think JetBlue has the potential to be a great airline and we very well may have a great contract. If you don't think that, well there is no reason for you to stay. (For the record I also thought trump would win so maybe I am a little crazy)
I have been a 121 guy for over 13 years now and what I know is everything changes so fast. Up today down tomorrow. like bunker asked if management is so against getting a cba why are they not pulling a Spirit or Frontier? There is nothing stopping them. I also agree with him that we will know much more in the coming months but as far as a first contract goes like it or not history shows that we are making progress and the company is negotiating. Unless you were in the camp that thought we would just have an instant contract I would say our progress is a good thing. Now you can argue it's low hanging fruit but did you want them to start with the big things first? That is not how this works and if they wanted to they could drag out the low hanging fruit part. The union has said don't expect many more TAs because these last sections all go together but we are making progress. From a few guys I have talked with who "know" they have become much more optimistic about getting a TA soon.
I don't answer to you about what makes me happy and as far as your cute little millennial hashtags go.
#growthe****up
It's not all jr 190 FOs many of my FOs have been senior to me.
But I guess only the Airbus captains get to have valid opinions and how great is it that it is just like yours.(yes I know you will tell me they are senior and have lived through the JetBlue lies so they know)
Now it only took 3 votes to get in a union.
Dude when you applied and took a job here.
We were non union, we were paid less vs our peers, our vacation was bad, we had our current pto system, we had no retirements, we had the same bases, we had meltdowns, our company was obsessed about image and nps, our per diem hasn't changed, we were looked at by the real airlines as a second tier airline, a good chunk of our super senior captains couldn't get hired elsewhere, our retirement was bad, work rules changed via email and so on. A big chunk of the stuff that makes you so mad now was reality when YOU accepted a job here. I also accepted the job because as I have said it was a good place to wait (better than the regionals)and I still say that. You and I got lucky and moved up the list quick to have either a nice senior airbus FO sked or a very junior captain. So for me things have worked out but you better believe I voted yes. I know things need to change. I was answering a question about how negative things are. I don't see it as much as you do but that is me. I still think JetBlue has the potential to be a great airline and we very well may have a great contract. If you don't think that, well there is no reason for you to stay. (For the record I also thought trump would win so maybe I am a little crazy)
I have been a 121 guy for over 13 years now and what I know is everything changes so fast. Up today down tomorrow. like bunker asked if management is so against getting a cba why are they not pulling a Spirit or Frontier? There is nothing stopping them. I also agree with him that we will know much more in the coming months but as far as a first contract goes like it or not history shows that we are making progress and the company is negotiating. Unless you were in the camp that thought we would just have an instant contract I would say our progress is a good thing. Now you can argue it's low hanging fruit but did you want them to start with the big things first? That is not how this works and if they wanted to they could drag out the low hanging fruit part. The union has said don't expect many more TAs because these last sections all go together but we are making progress. From a few guys I have talked with who "know" they have become much more optimistic about getting a TA soon.
I don't answer to you about what makes me happy and as far as your cute little millennial hashtags go.
#growthe****up
Will my tune change 180 degrees when they do, yep.
04-19-2017 | 12:33 PM
#392
Not A Janitor
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I usually stay out of this thread because of the amount of negativity present, but I just have to post this out of curiosity:
If we get a market rate contract, will the tunes change? Will stand-up PAs come back? Will we go the extra mile again? Or will this company always be a place that some love to hate?
As far as contract concerns, I implore everyone to go find a P2P volunteer (bright red badge backers) and get a real update on progress. This is all our careers, and it's important to stay up to date with facts not rumors.
If we get a market rate contract, will the tunes change? Will stand-up PAs come back? Will we go the extra mile again? Or will this company always be a place that some love to hate?
As far as contract concerns, I implore everyone to go find a P2P volunteer (bright red badge backers) and get a real update on progress. This is all our careers, and it's important to stay up to date with facts not rumors.
In any case, I think the answer is yes overall. We have a pilot group that is predisposed to go the extra mile, and I think when we feel we are compensated for doing such and have strong contractual protections against the company taking advantage of us in other ways, the tune of the group will change dramatically. (Hopefully not to the extreme of looking at dumpster diving in the cabin with anything other than utmost disgust.)
04-19-2017 | 01:08 PM
#394
Gets Weekends Off
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Again, it's not negativity... it's realism. Realism so that prospective new hires know what they're getting themselves into, and it isn't anything like the image JetBlue likes to portray externally.
In any case, I think the answer is yes overall. We have a pilot group that is predisposed to go the extra mile, and I think when we feel we are compensated for doing such and have strong contractual protections against the company taking advantage of us in other ways, the tune of the group will change dramatically. (Hopefully not to the extreme of looking at dumpster diving in the cabin with anything other than utmost disgust.)
In any case, I think the answer is yes overall. We have a pilot group that is predisposed to go the extra mile, and I think when we feel we are compensated for doing such and have strong contractual protections against the company taking advantage of us in other ways, the tune of the group will change dramatically. (Hopefully not to the extreme of looking at dumpster diving in the cabin with anything other than utmost disgust.)
I would agree and I hope so. I don't think we want to work in a negative environment. But again it is really up to the ELT to fix that. I think you have a pilot group ready to go we just need the ELT to be real leaders and pay us what we deserve.
04-19-2017 | 01:12 PM
#395
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
That's all cute Joe, but we are so far behind and progress could stop at a moment's notice. We don't have a peer contract until we do. So you keep pushing back on negativity all you want. I think it's premature until they actually sign on the dotted line.
Will my tune change 180 degrees when they do, yep.
Will my tune change 180 degrees when they do, yep.
I have not said you were wrong, just don't put words in my mouth.
I hope your tune will change and let's hope for that to happen soon. I know you want the company to be successful we just look at things in different ways.
04-19-2017 | 01:34 PM
#397
The REAL Bluedriver
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From: Airbus Capt
Um if your going to attack me and say that I am saying things that I'm not you will forgive me for pushing back on YOU.
I have not said you were wrong, just don't put words in my mouth.
I hope your tune will change and let's hope for that to happen soon. I know you want the company to be successful we just look at things in different ways.
I have not said you were wrong, just don't put words in my mouth.
I hope your tune will change and let's hope for that to happen soon. I know you want the company to be successful we just look at things in different ways.
04-19-2017 | 02:44 PM
#398
Gets Weekends Off
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Because you don't get to control everything because you think your way is correct. I'm sorry if you don't like my opinions but I have every right to post them as you do, it is America. Again I did not take issue with the stuff you pointed out (read that again) I simply said I don't see the negativity that you see. You dismissed that because of the plane I fly and the pilots I fly with. You have a real habit of basically saying that those that don't agree with you should not be entertained. Should I have said "well I want a cba so yeah everyone I fly with is negative" or I am sure you are now saying no but you could just not post and let the rest of us control the message. You were the guy who came up with a hashtag based on something I didn't say and your surprised I pushed back, that's what I don't get. But I grew up in NJ so arguing is in my nature.
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