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Originally Posted by atrdriver
(Post 2274678)
Where their colleagues were also respectable professionals who didn't rationalize, "well, we can't afford to be paid as well as other airlines because we have to compete with them" like I heard so many times during negotiations at my regional airline. Never thought I'd hear it here too.
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
(Post 2274675)
Just one question since you seem to be the guy who keeps this up.
You were hired what April/May 2016? Did you not know any of this at the interview? The pay has not changed except for our 8 wait make that 2% raise. I just can't figure out why you even took the time to interview here and better yet accept the job. Again I am not defending blue but I grow tired of guys like you screaming about stuff because you either didn't do the research or thought it was a totally different airline. The facts were all out there you just had to find them. Btw don't forget the mighty 190 we are the regional side of JetBlue :) For the record. If you can get on at the big 3 and you want to go there I would totally skip jetblue. If you are here at the bottom of the list and under 40 and not happy or want more I would totally be applying to the big guys. Again JetBlue is what it is, and it's a pilots market. |
Originally Posted by Xtreme87
(Post 2274683)
Obviously not. However I was treated better and had much better work rules at my regional. That is saying something. I will take job security any day of the week though. I'm saying that IF somebody is in a position to hold out a little longer for that legacy job, do it. I honestly thought I would come here and settle in. I didn't think I'd be paying to keep my airline apps account open and going to job fairs.
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Originally Posted by Southerner
(Post 2274676)
I don't think that will work for a few reasons.
1. Regional applicants are coming from somewhere far worse than here. Good luck getting them to not apply to see if they can at least use us as a stepping stone. 2. People on the outside can see through the BS. 3. There will always be enough applications with the bare mins. JetBlue might have to lower the competitive standards if this campaign is successful, but there are plenty of people with 1,500 hours and an ATP who want to skip the whole regional side of the industry. |
Originally Posted by dontcare4U
(Post 2274684)
Who in the hell did you hear this from? I'm glad to have not heard this from any pilots yet, and better not
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
(Post 2274683)
Obviously not. However I was treated better and had much better work rules at my regional. That is saying something. I will take job security any day of the week though. I'm saying that IF somebody is in a position to hold out a little longer for that legacy job, do it. I honestly thought I would come here and settle in. I didn't think I'd be paying to keep my airline apps account open and going to job fairs.
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Originally Posted by atrdriver
(Post 2274658)
I second this. Pay is woefully inadequate (30-40% less than our peers), work rules are sub par (10 hour 3-days??:eek:), and disrespect for pilots is unmatched elsewhere in the industry. Focus your efforts elsewhere unless your dream is to be an aircraft cabin cleaner who happens to fly the planes.
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Wouldn't it be great if we had an association of some sort that could go to job fairs and hand out information on the current "culture" at JetBlue? The frustration some of us have here is that we feel like we were lied to, I don't regret the move to come here from my former employer. My Regional wasn't sunshine and roses, but they did treat us like professionals which is more than I can say for Jetblue sometimes.
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Originally Posted by CanoeBum
(Post 2274701)
Wouldn't it be great if we had an association of some sort that could go to job fairs and hand out information on the current "culture" at JetBlue? The frustration some of us have here is that we feel like we were lied to, I don't regret the move to come here from my former employer. My Regional wasn't sunshine and roses, but they did treat us like professionals which is more than I can say for Jetblue sometimes.
Even if we did get a CBA tomorrow, that brought pay a lot closer to legacy pay rates and other work rules, there will always be pilots who are angry and jaded. Thats not to say many of us are not updating our apps and then reevaluate if we ever get a call. Some are just willing to wait and see with a contract whenever it comes. Some of us now live in base, have a much easier commute to work, etc that makes the wait and see easier. We are in a pilots market now, and really the legacies could destroy jetblue by just sending someone to offer preferential interviews at the T5 bus stop. To put things in perspective, even thou I am still on reserve (have been here just over a year) on the Airbus, I have had a few months of hybrid lines, move up lines, I have made pretty good money compared to what I would have had to do as a regional captain. When many FOs transitioned from the E190 to the Airbus it kept pushing many of us hired in the last 1.5 years down keeping us on RSV longer. There are ways to manipulate your schedule to maximize pay if you really want to work. And the commute is so much easier on JetBlue than anytime I did while at a regional. At least we do have a union that is willing to fight for what we feel we deserve. We will see whenever a TA does come out, because many of us that are on the fence will actively try to leave if things don't. Until than, do what the MEC advises you to do in the meantime. The biggest eye opening experiences I have had here was: - We have more passwords here and different websites to log onto that it feels like we are hiding national secrets on our servers. - IROPs can become full meltdown mode, yet if you live in base thats when you really can make some serious money if you want to. Some do, Some don't because they want the company to feel the pain of unhappy pilots and lack of staffing. - Healthcare was better at my regional - Cleaning planes is a sore subject, but its in the policy manual and if we chose to use jetblue for non rev benefits, its part of the deal. We knew the deal when we came here. Wish we had the non rev network of AA/DL/UA but we don't. I have enjoyed my time here so far, even thou I have been grumpy on a few issues. Yet I continue to wear my ALPA lanyard, clean a little when I non rev, and do what I am advised to do when at work by ALPA and even the chief pilots. FLY SOP and FLY SAFE. Take it how you will... some people are happy here and some are not, but yes things do need to change. |
Originally Posted by FlyinRabbit88
(Post 2274740)
Seriously, how do you think you/we were "lied" to? Did you not do your research? Newsflash, we are not a legacy, we don't have the infrastructure or the resources as the big 3 do, your first IROP here will sure open your eyes to how things run on an operations level. But to say the jetblue is so awful that no one should consider it is kinda comical.
Even if we did get a CBA tomorrow, that brought pay a lot closer to legacy pay rates and other work rules, there will always be pilots who are angry and jaded. Thats not to say many of us are not updating our apps and then reevaluate if we ever get a call. Some are just willing to wait and see with a contract whenever it comes. Some of us now live in base, have a much easier commute to work, etc that makes the wait and see easier. We are in a pilots market now, and really the legacies could destroy jetblue by just sending someone to offer preferential interviews at the T5 bus stop. To put things in perspective, even thou I am still on reserve (have been here just over a year) on the Airbus, I have had a few months of hybrid lines, move up lines, I have made pretty good money compared to what I would have had to do as a regional captain. When many FOs transitioned from the E190 to the Airbus it kept pushing many of us hired in the last 1.5 years down keeping us on RSV longer. There are ways to manipulate your schedule to maximize pay if you really want to work. And the commute is so much easier on JetBlue than anytime I did while at a regional. At least we do have a union that is willing to fight for what we feel we deserve. We will see whenever a TA does come out, because many of us that are on the fence will actively try to leave if things don't. Until than, do what the MEC advises you to do in the meantime. The biggest eye opening experiences I have had here was: - We have more passwords here and different websites to log onto that it feels like we are hiding national secrets on our servers. - IROPs can become full meltdown mode, yet if you live in base thats when you really can make some serious money if you want to. Some do, Some don't because they want the company to feel the pain of unhappy pilots and lack of staffing. - Healthcare was better at my regional - Cleaning planes is a sore subject, but its in the policy manual and if we chose to use jetblue for non rev benefits, its part of the deal. We knew the deal when we came here. Wish we had the non rev network of AA/DL/UA but we don't. I have enjoyed my time here so far, even thou I have been grumpy on a few issues. Yet I continue to wear my ALPA lanyard, clean a little when I non rev, and do what I am advised to do when at work by ALPA and even the chief pilots. FLY SOP and FLY SAFE. Take it how you will... some people are happy here and some are not, but yes things do need to change. |
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