Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 2274745)

Could it be that some of these guys as mad as they are were probably blue darts,no college degree and nowhere else to go? Just asking?....

Originally Posted by atrdriver (Post 2274685)

You're not far off on those dates. And you're right I knew the pay rates coming in. What you can't really know before you go is the intricacies of the work rules and trip construction and how they work toward or against actual compensation. I knew the rates were bad, but I honestly figured work rules and trip construction would make up for it a bit until a CBA was in place. And apparently I was also naive thinking a CBA wasn't all that far off. And you also don't know the true culture of an airline until you're on line for a few months (probably doesn't help I'm on the juiciest plane in the juiciest base :p). I'll just leave it at that before I offend a juicer... Not miserable here by any means, just bringing up points I wish I had a deeper understanding of before I came here.

Originally Posted by atrdriver (Post 2274754)

:rolleyes:

More likely they are mad because they thought they were coming somewhere "different" than the borg-ish Big 3... somewhere the culture was authentic and management treated employees with respect in the realization that the operation's success was dependent on their hard work.

Not where the five values are a shallow slogan to be applied selectively. Or where management actively and cynically pits workgroups against each other. And definitely not where pilots are treated with blatant disrespect and condescension.

Turns out it's no better than the Big 3. Major disappointment. It wouldn't sting so much if we weren't paid 30-40% less than our peers over there and didn't perform janitorial duties. But we aren't, so many of us feel duped. Surely you can understand, not deride them as losers without anywhere else to go.

Originally Posted by FlyinRabbit88 (Post 2274740)

Seriously, how do you think you/we were "lied" to? Did you not do your research? Newsflash, we are not a legacy, we don't have the infrastructure or the resources as the big 3 do, your first IROP here will sure open your eyes to how things run on an operations level. But to say the jetblue is so awful that no one should consider it is kinda comical.

Even if we did get a CBA tomorrow, that brought pay a lot closer to legacy pay rates and other work rules, there will always be pilots who are angry and jaded. Thats not to say many of us are not updating our apps and then reevaluate if we ever get a call. Some are just willing to wait and see with a contract whenever it comes. Some of us now live in base, have a much easier commute to work, etc that makes the wait and see easier.

We are in a pilots market now, and really the legacies could destroy jetblue by just sending someone to offer preferential interviews at the T5 bus stop.

To put things in perspective, even thou I am still on reserve (have been here just over a year) on the Airbus, I have had a few months of hybrid lines, move up lines, I have made pretty good money compared to what I would have had to do as a regional captain. When many FOs transitioned from the E190 to the Airbus it kept pushing many of us hired in the last 1.5 years down keeping us on RSV longer. There are ways to manipulate your schedule to maximize pay if you really want to work. And the commute is so much easier on JetBlue than anytime I did while at a regional.

At least we do have a union that is willing to fight for what we feel we deserve. We will see whenever a TA does come out, because many of us that are on the fence will actively try to leave if things don't. Until than, do what the MEC advises you to do in the meantime.

The biggest eye opening experiences I have had here was:
- We have more passwords here and different websites to log onto that it feels like we are hiding national secrets on our servers.
- IROPs can become full meltdown mode, yet if you live in base thats when you really can make some serious money if you want to. Some do, Some don't because they want the company to feel the pain of unhappy pilots and lack of staffing.
- Healthcare was better at my regional
- Cleaning planes is a sore subject, but its in the policy manual and if we chose to use jetblue for non rev benefits, its part of the deal. We knew the deal when we came here. Wish we had the non rev network of AA/DL/UA but we don't.

I have enjoyed my time here so far, even thou I have been grumpy on a few issues. Yet I continue to wear my ALPA lanyard, clean a little when I non rev, and do what I am advised to do when at work by ALPA and even the chief pilots. FLY SOP and FLY SAFE. Take it how you will... some people are happy here and some are not, but yes things do need to change.

Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2274683)

Obviously not. However I was treated better and had much better work rules at my regional. That is saying something. I will take job security any day of the week though. I'm saying that IF somebody is in a position to hold out a little longer for that legacy job, do it. I honestly thought I would come here and settle in. I didn't think I'd be paying to keep my airline apps account open and going to job fairs.

Originally Posted by atrdriver (Post 2274754)

:rolleyes:

More likely they are mad because they thought they were coming somewhere "different" than the borg-ish Big 3... somewhere the culture was authentic and management treated employees with respect in the realization that the operation's success was dependent on their hard work.

Not where the five values are a shallow slogan to be applied selectively. Or where management actively and cynically pits workgroups against each other. And definitely not where pilots are treated with blatant disrespect and condescension.

Turns out it's no better than the Big 3. Major disappointment. It wouldn't sting so much if we weren't paid 30-40% less than our peers over there and didn't perform janitorial duties. But we aren't, so many of us feel duped. Surely you can understand, not deride them as losers without anywhere else to go.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2274768)

I agree with you.

It's like the hot chick that doesn't put out.

Yeah it looks great on paper but the relationship can suck.

I put the blame with the ELT and also agree that they need a better relationship with the pilots. Having said that it's not hell on earth with beatings everyday. I still think we have a solid future and our CEO seems more aggressive. But again it is totally up to JetBlue to attract and RETAIN their pilots. Honest opinion is they could do a better job.

It's not 2008 we are not the only airline hiring.

Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 2274760)

To each his own. Things continue to get better IMHO and we have a way to go for sure! Thats a lot of hatred for less than a year on the line, I hope you get a call to where you really want to go. Sorry you had to come here..........

Originally Posted by Southerner (Post 2274788)

I guess I've always taken the "life is too short" attitude. I don't let the small stuff make me angry, and EVERYTHING at work is small stuff.

Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 2274760)

To each his own. Things continue to get better IMHO and we have a way to go for sure! Thats a lot of hatred for less than a year on the line, I hope you get a call to where you really want to go. Sorry you had to come here..........