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04-29-2019, 10:12 AM
#1461
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 831
Originally Posted by No Land 3
This has happened quicker than I thought, still though, it seems rather difficult to not break guarantee unless you have a hacked up schedule.
As a third year FO, going from an average of 84 hours a month to 64 hours amounts to about $3,000 a month. This time last year was easy to get a $15000 month with overtime.
If people drop down to 64 hours across the board, people will start to leave again.
As a third year FO, going from an average of 84 hours a month to 64 hours amounts to about $3,000 a month. This time last year was easy to get a $15000 month with overtime.
If people drop down to 64 hours across the board, people will start to leave again.
04-29-2019, 10:44 AM
#1462
Polyester Pilot
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 777 CA
Posts: 510
Originally Posted by Firefly899
Puck, 64 hours is actually super efficient for the company. They are not overpaying because they have enough staffing. Also not giving money away by under utilizing us.
Maybe min is going to be the new status quo.
Maybe min is going to be the new status quo.
04-29-2019, 11:15 AM
#1463
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by Puck Hawg
So, where’s the “looking at the long game to see the light” reference you made a few posts ago? Company is hiring through the Fall....wouldn’t think they would just try to hire more merely to run at 64 hrs.
04-29-2019, 11:25 AM
#1464
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,275
When I said, "about $3000", I meant $3,000 less for the month. Last paycheck, the wife said, "it's $4000 less than before."
We live below our means and can afford min guarantee, still though, it still feels like a swift punch to the gut.
We live below our means and can afford min guarantee, still though, it still feels like a swift punch to the gut.
04-29-2019, 12:16 PM
#1465
Polyester Pilot
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 777 CA
Posts: 510
Originally Posted by robi523
The light reference was in regards to staffing early for incoming planes hopefully... As mentioned a few posts up. However at 64 hours I do agree we will lose fo's... Would be great to see min guarantee bumped up to 75 hour range and would go a long ways to keeping those guys around I think
04-29-2019, 12:55 PM
#1466
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: Doing Just Fine
Posts: 356
Really 64 hours is a kick in the guts??!! If I remember when everyone signed up the past and present contracts stated 64 hour guarantee.
To think you'll always get more than that is naive. For many years we never saw 64 hours it's just recently with the rapid growth etc the ability to get paid more has existed. Someone mentioned that 64 is probably the sweet spot for the company and to think they are happy to pay high $$$ amounts when this can be offset by correct and efficient staffing, again, is naive.
A 75 hour guarantee would be nice but be aware that if they can cover the flying and keep it under 64 hours per pilot I'll bet you a dime to a dollar that the 17.5% increase in guarantee will result in the same percentage in pilots off the seniority list.
To think you'll always get more than that is naive. For many years we never saw 64 hours it's just recently with the rapid growth etc the ability to get paid more has existed. Someone mentioned that 64 is probably the sweet spot for the company and to think they are happy to pay high $$$ amounts when this can be offset by correct and efficient staffing, again, is naive.
A 75 hour guarantee would be nice but be aware that if they can cover the flying and keep it under 64 hours per pilot I'll bet you a dime to a dollar that the 17.5% increase in guarantee will result in the same percentage in pilots off the seniority list.
Last edited by WhaleWrangler; 04-29-2019 at 01:25 PM.
04-29-2019, 06:21 PM
#1468
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,275
Originally Posted by WhaleWrangler
Really 64 hours is a kick in the guts??!! If I remember when everyone signed up the past and present contracts stated 64 hour guarantee.
To think you'll always get more than that is naive. For many years we never saw 64 hours it's just recently with the rapid growth etc the ability to get paid more has existed. Someone mentioned that 64 is probably the sweet spot for the company and to think they are happy to pay high $$$ amounts when this can be offset by correct and efficient staffing, again, is naive.
A 75 hour guarantee would be nice but be aware that if they can cover the flying and keep it under 64 hours per pilot I'll bet you a dime to a dollar that the 17.5% increase in guarantee will result in the same percentage in pilots off the seniority list.
To think you'll always get more than that is naive. For many years we never saw 64 hours it's just recently with the rapid growth etc the ability to get paid more has existed. Someone mentioned that 64 is probably the sweet spot for the company and to think they are happy to pay high $$$ amounts when this can be offset by correct and efficient staffing, again, is naive.
A 75 hour guarantee would be nice but be aware that if they can cover the flying and keep it under 64 hours per pilot I'll bet you a dime to a dollar that the 17.5% increase in guarantee will result in the same percentage in pilots off the seniority list.
I am still happy, still love the job, still making more than I've ever had before, still have no plans or desire to go elsewhere, just sucks that extra money is no longer growing on the trees for picking.
04-30-2019, 02:28 AM
#1469
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Posts: 2,100
I broke guarantee only a couple of times 2011-14, mainly on the 400, it’s a cyclical business, feast or famine, always has been ever since I started on DC3’s in ‘87. The one good thing about slow times was 4-5 day layovers in Riga, Liege, ANC, and HK, my wife would roll her eyes, and call the job my “ European Vacation “ , budget for guarantee, and smile when you go over, ride the waves, and smile. Cheers out 😎
04-30-2019, 03:59 AM
#1470
Polyester Pilot
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 777 CA
Posts: 510
Originally Posted by No Land 3
64 hours is a kick in the gut, not because of the contract and knowing about it, but because a precedent was set, people developed expectations. Everyone was offered OT, everyone was getting 90+ hour months for two plus years straight. Actually getting 64 hours was a rareity that happened maybe once a year.
I am still happy, still love the job, still making more than I've ever had before, still have no plans or desire to go elsewhere, just sucks that extra money is no longer growing on the trees for picking.
I am still happy, still love the job, still making more than I've ever had before, still have no plans or desire to go elsewhere, just sucks that extra money is no longer growing on the trees for picking.
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