Kalitta Air now accepting FO applications
06-21-2017, 03:07 PM
#3122
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 744 CA
Posts: 4,772
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger7
It was last month and they brought in 12 of us from Puerto Rico to Honolulu. We paid our way, they covered two nights. Guys in training we met at breakfast said they were 50 crews (100 pilots) short. Training department said the same thing. Both said: "Don't crash the Sim on Day 2 and you'e hired".
Day One: Our group was a mix of military, corporate, and 121 guys and 3 women. We all took a modest "Aptitude" test and had a panel interview where the body language said no one wanted to be there.
Each of us was given a "Thanks but no thanks" letter as we departed. No one was taken to the sim'. Friends on the inside were blown away by this. Any input would be appreciated. Otherwise, it was a cordial and professional experience.
Day One: Our group was a mix of military, corporate, and 121 guys and 3 women. We all took a modest "Aptitude" test and had a panel interview where the body language said no one wanted to be there.
Each of us was given a "Thanks but no thanks" letter as we departed. No one was taken to the sim'. Friends on the inside were blown away by this. Any input would be appreciated. Otherwise, it was a cordial and professional experience.
06-21-2017, 03:09 PM
#3123
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 744 CA
Posts: 4,772
Originally Posted by ocskyguy
You know, this type of diatribe is one that truly upsets me. I am, in fact, one of the guys who conduct the rides. And, I am a damn good instructor, too. In order to do a meaningful job, you need to walk the fine line that separates the two tasks.
As an instructor, I will pump you up with all the knowledge that I can possibly pass along. And, yes, you will still need to work your ass off to get through the program.
But, when check ride day comes, it is all on you. You need to prove your mettle. We do not have a huge support structure here at K4. You basically get the keys to the jet and an admonishment to not f#*k up out there. So, in order to protect the careers of many people (including myself), I need to be able to sleep at night knowing that you are out there with no support and capable of handling anything that comes your way. If that means you need another trip through the training mill to get out the door, so be it. I just want you to be safe and capable.
Remember rule number 2: "Be smarter than the airplane". If you do, the rest is easy...
As an instructor, I will pump you up with all the knowledge that I can possibly pass along. And, yes, you will still need to work your ass off to get through the program.
But, when check ride day comes, it is all on you. You need to prove your mettle. We do not have a huge support structure here at K4. You basically get the keys to the jet and an admonishment to not f#*k up out there. So, in order to protect the careers of many people (including myself), I need to be able to sleep at night knowing that you are out there with no support and capable of handling anything that comes your way. If that means you need another trip through the training mill to get out the door, so be it. I just want you to be safe and capable.
Remember rule number 2: "Be smarter than the airplane". If you do, the rest is easy...
06-21-2017, 05:46 PM
#3125
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 13
Nobodh ever said it was supposed to be easy. Seems like a lot of people these days have a sense of entitlement and want things spoon fed to them, which isn't the case. Good things come to those who(not wait) but work their Fn butts off. It's that simple. I applied about 6 weeks ago and spoke with somebody there. I'm hoping to get the call and get a chance to prove myself.
06-21-2017, 06:55 PM
#3126
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by flysooner9
whats the minimums right now at K4? APC shows one thing but the job posting shows 4,000 with 1,000 TPIC
06-22-2017, 03:17 AM
#3127
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,275
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if you show this training department that you want the job, that you are giving it 120%, they will do everything they can to help you.
One person conducting check rides that has a certain reputation, I felt was more than fair to me, and did not experience any issues. My instructor said some things to me that would of made a snowflake cry, but he was doing it from his heart to motivate me, and I took it as such. He is a good guy.
One person in my class was let go at the FTD. He would jumpseat home or disappear after class to never study with any of us. He didn't know his flows or call-outs. What did he show the training department? Did he show he wanted the job? Did he show that he was giving it 120%? He also hurt his sim partner by his actions. Despite this, his instructor still tried hard for him, but he wouldn't even meet him half way to help himself. K4 has zero patience for this, rightfully so. If your personality is such that you take full responsibility for your actions and performance, and don't blame others, it will serve you well here. Besides, how did you survive in aviation long enough to even be at this point, without that attitude?
One person conducting check rides that has a certain reputation, I felt was more than fair to me, and did not experience any issues. My instructor said some things to me that would of made a snowflake cry, but he was doing it from his heart to motivate me, and I took it as such. He is a good guy.
One person in my class was let go at the FTD. He would jumpseat home or disappear after class to never study with any of us. He didn't know his flows or call-outs. What did he show the training department? Did he show he wanted the job? Did he show that he was giving it 120%? He also hurt his sim partner by his actions. Despite this, his instructor still tried hard for him, but he wouldn't even meet him half way to help himself. K4 has zero patience for this, rightfully so. If your personality is such that you take full responsibility for your actions and performance, and don't blame others, it will serve you well here. Besides, how did you survive in aviation long enough to even be at this point, without that attitude?
Last edited by No Land 3; 06-22-2017 at 03:58 AM.
06-22-2017, 11:03 AM
#3129
Banned
Joined APC: Mar 2013
Posts: 384
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger7
It was last month and they brought in 12 of us from Puerto Rico to Honolulu. We paid our way, they covered two nights. Guys in training we met at breakfast said they were 50 crews (100 pilots) short. Training department said the same thing. Both said: "Don't crash the Sim on Day 2 and you'e hired".
Day One: Our group was a mix of military, corporate, and 121 guys and 3 women. We all took a modest "Aptitude" test and had a panel interview where the body language said no one wanted to be there.
Each of us was given a "Thanks but no thanks" letter as we departed. No one was taken to the sim'. Friends on the inside were blown away by this. Any input would be appreciated. Otherwise, it was a cordial and professional experience.
Day One: Our group was a mix of military, corporate, and 121 guys and 3 women. We all took a modest "Aptitude" test and had a panel interview where the body language said no one wanted to be there.
Each of us was given a "Thanks but no thanks" letter as we departed. No one was taken to the sim'. Friends on the inside were blown away by this. Any input would be appreciated. Otherwise, it was a cordial and professional experience.
06-23-2017, 01:07 AM
#3130
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: Gucci Jet Left
Posts: 161
Training was tough, sometimes frustrating and requires that you work at it.
That being said, I made it through and I'm not too smart. I can from an RJ, and learning the international operations takes a lot of work, understanding foreign controllers takes time. Preparation really becomes more important.
In the end, I'm happier than a pig in poop that I rolled the dice and made it on here.
Its probably not ideal for everyone but I like going home and being left alone for 2 weeks and I like having a plane ticket in hand when its time to go to work and go home.
Moderate skills and effort should be sufficient to get through training. Its not a slaughterhouse but its not a walk over either. Don't be paralyzed by fear of boogie men in the training department.
That being said, I made it through and I'm not too smart. I can from an RJ, and learning the international operations takes a lot of work, understanding foreign controllers takes time. Preparation really becomes more important.
In the end, I'm happier than a pig in poop that I rolled the dice and made it on here.
Its probably not ideal for everyone but I like going home and being left alone for 2 weeks and I like having a plane ticket in hand when its time to go to work and go home.
Moderate skills and effort should be sufficient to get through training. Its not a slaughterhouse but its not a walk over either. Don't be paralyzed by fear of boogie men in the training department.
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