Corporate to Airlines venting...
12-08-2017 | 07:52 AM
#21
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While on furlough, I got a job flying a Falcon 20. The owner had an office in London so they sent us to flight safety for a 3 day world wide ops course. Two of the guys in the class, both life long Corporate pilots, had comments or anecdotes about “Airline guys” every 10 minutes. All through the class, for three days, these guys had an “airline guy” comment for everything. It was very annoying.
On day two, right before lunch, my buddy who was a furloughed NWA pilot lit into the guy. They went back and forth for several minutes in a heated exchange. It was comical and after that he pumped the brakes a little but still kept at it.
I can’t even remember any specifics about what exactly he was saying about us, but it was clear he absolutely hated us and was glad that the industry and it’s pilots were struggling.
On day two, right before lunch, my buddy who was a furloughed NWA pilot lit into the guy. They went back and forth for several minutes in a heated exchange. It was comical and after that he pumped the brakes a little but still kept at it.
I can’t even remember any specifics about what exactly he was saying about us, but it was clear he absolutely hated us and was glad that the industry and it’s pilots were struggling.
Corporates are starving for guys with good experience, it’s a generational turnover, just like the airlines.
GF
12-08-2017 | 08:06 AM
#22
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I seriously don’t know where the Corporate outfits are going to find qualified pilots over the next decade. As has already been stated several times on this thread, the Corpoations simply can’t or won’t compensate their pilots the way most of the Big 4 Airlines can. Every time I see one of these Corporate jets takeoff in front of me, I always wonder how many of those guys have their apps in at most of the majors. I suspect a good number of them, and what’s worse is their companies probably have no clue that they do. Both Corporate and the Regionals are going to be hurting big time for pilots in the next few years.
12-08-2017 | 08:07 AM
#23
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It’s all very cyclical, and there are “10%er” d-bags in all areas of the flying industry that help create images that the other 90% don’t necessarily deserve.
When airline hiring is good, Corp gets a reputation (maybe somewhat deserved) as a dumping ground for the broken toys that couldn't get to the big leagues. I worry (as a former airline and now Corp guy) that that will again be the case.
When airline hiring is good, Corp gets a reputation (maybe somewhat deserved) as a dumping ground for the broken toys that couldn't get to the big leagues. I worry (as a former airline and now Corp guy) that that will again be the case.
12-08-2017 | 08:23 AM
#24
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Expressjet lost its contract with delta which has caused them to close down their Atlanta base. Most operations have been moved out to Texas, and I believe they’re down to strictly 145 flying for United and 20 CRJ200s for American. I’m not at Expressjet and I’m sure there’s more to the story (SkyWest just opened Atlanta as a base).
12-08-2017 | 09:30 AM
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DAL is simply done with CRJ side of L-ASA of XJT.
If it was as you suspect, they would have shed themselves of the ERJ side of XJT long long ago.
12-08-2017 | 09:40 AM
#27
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From: systems analyst
I think the relationship is not good between SW inc and asa, and they feel they are being slowly suffocated.
Maybe asa dudes could chime in if they care
Is skywest pumping any money (e-190s) into ASA?
12-08-2017 | 09:52 AM
#28
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As in, when the ERJ/CRJ pilot group voted down the joke of a JCBA that was offered.
I think the relationship is not good between SW inc and asa, and they feel they are being slowly suffocated.
Is skywest pumping any money (e-190s) into ASA?
Things not looking good? Simply blame XJT (ASA) for a failing operation and losing money......
12-08-2017 | 02:49 PM
#29
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I've done 91 and 135 corporate. I don't recall any 'anti airline' or 'them vs. us' attitudes.
Mostly complaining about the inconsistent bosses/trips/schedules/crappy equipment. We didn't 'love' our jobs and I feel like we were just as pragmatic about it as pilots in the 121 world.
Mostly complaining about the inconsistent bosses/trips/schedules/crappy equipment. We didn't 'love' our jobs and I feel like we were just as pragmatic about it as pilots in the 121 world.
12-08-2017 | 03:02 PM
#30
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I seriously don’t know where the Corporate outfits are going to find qualified pilots over the next decade. As has already been stated several times on this thread, the Corpoations simply can’t or won’t compensate their pilots the way most of the Big 4 Airlines can. Every time I see one of these Corporate jets takeoff in front of me, I always wonder how many of those guys have their apps in at most of the majors. I suspect a good number of them, and what’s worse is their companies probably have no clue that they do. Both Corporate and the Regionals are going to be hurting big time for pilots in the next few years.
GF
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