For some reason, maybe it’s how I was raised (I am old school in this industry), but I find it a bit bore some to be posting how much one makes. The contract rates are published and available for public consumption, if one wants to know.

 

If you don't like it, then why open the thread? I've never understood the stigma about talking about how much one makes, especially when talking with others in the industry. What makes it so taboo? I think if anything this thread proves that contract rates are nowhere near the full story when it comes to earnings at each airline.

 

Do you know who else doesn't like this information made public or discussed amongst peers? Management -- both in the private sector and in the public sector (to include regulations prohibiting discussion of it.)

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Knowledge is power. This isn't about gloating, it's about comparison possibly leading to motivation.

And glancing through payrates is only 1/4 of the picture.

 

Using APC numbers, you couldn’t come anywhere near the figures I made in 2017 even if you maxed out all the sliders.

As an “old school in this industry”, you know that pay rates paint only a portion of the picture, right?

 

I'm also an old school type but I think its useful for the up and comers. They don't know about how the extra money is made. And if you, like me, had a few strokes of bad luck (and remember there was no internet when I was up and coming), it is tremendously useful to help them budget a realistic future and make decisions on things like equipment types, more profitable bases to live for pickups etc. Also useful in eliminating "mistake" jobs where the hourly pay looks good until you find out they only get 50 to 60 hours. If you can look at it not as bragging, but as helping share info, I think the heartburn this is giving you will go away.

 

Air Canada
FO
B767
yr 1/2
209 Days (50% late start first day, early finish last day. many 48 or 72hr layovers)
At least 100 overnights
660 hrs blocked (3 months reserve by choice)
975 hrs credited
$61403.32 + $13294.77 Per diem + $3900 Company Pension Contrib.
Free health care and good/cheap supplementary health plan.
Total 78598.09

We are an absolutely shameful disgrace to North American legacies represented by a union full of future management shills. Hope things improve.

 

^^ hozer

 

First answer, no heartburn at all.

Second, sure looks like bragging and doing that thing we males always do, see who has the biggest ...

Third, when I started the Caps made more (adjusted for inflation), had both a defined benefit and contribution plan and flew a 75 hour line at full pay was a normal line holder.

Fourth, using this blog to plan one's financial future is the same as asking a pilot for such advice, run away!!!!!

Finally, life's full of "mistakes," and many ups and downs (I've personally been furloughed and lost a few $$ enroute). A pilot I knew for over 30 years had his finances planned to a T and was a millionaire many times over. He died of a brain tumor at 61 years old. Didn't spend a dime of his retirement, but he was married the whole time to a wonderful woman and raised a couple of great people.

The job will always beat having a windowless cubicle in some corporate office. Enjoy (and fight for every inch of benefits and pay possible, it's not a gift from management)!

 

1) Envoy (jan-mar), UAL (mar-dec)
2) CA, FO
3) CRJ, a320
4) 7, less than 1
5) probably too many
6) probably too many
7) 371 block
8) 868 credit
9) 101k (33.6/67.9)
10) match/DC included in above number, ineligible for PS at UAL

 

UAL 9yr 777FO
Flew 665 hrs
Credit 1003 hrs
1 month RSV (never flew once that month)
B Fund :$36,088 from company

Pay: $255,215 (includes $22,800 profit share)
Per d: $6031

I live in base but did zero pickups in 2017. That stuff all went SR to me. With the exception of the RSV month, no line ever had less than 17 days off. Generally 3 Asia 4 day trips a month.