SWA vs UPS
11-19-2018, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gsphuntr
Your commute to ANC wouldn’t be long in the grand scheme of your career.. short term pain, long term gain.
My buddies at LUV bust their balls... great company, but, jeezus... y’all work too hard.
My buddies at LUV bust their balls... great company, but, jeezus... y’all work too hard.
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Never say anything negative about Southwest...
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11-20-2018, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
Prepare the measuring tape
It's all relative. If you want to travel the world on the company dime and fly some bigger metal.....don't work for WN, B6, F9, NK, G4.
If you want to be home and have a good QOL....the LCC's might be more appealing.
For me, it was about the QOL. I lived in a WN base and decided I hated commuting and wasn't going to move. Would I want to fly something bigger? Sure, although the thought of sitting in a jet for 14 hours straight sounds like torture.
All these SWA vs XYZ threads are silly.
1. Where do you want to live?
2. What do you want out of your career?
Pick the airline that satisfies both answers, assuming you can get a call and get hired. It's really that simple. You won't know if you made a good call until your retirement party.
11-20-2018, 10:08 AM
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A lot of factors here, but probably boils down to do you want good quality of life now that will stay about the same throughout your career, or not so good quality of life for the next 5-ish years with great quality of life to follow? For me that broke down to wanting to spend time with my kids while they were still young, knowing I was passing on money and opportunity later on.
Single or married, kids or no, length of career, how secure are you financially, health - there are lots of factors to consider. I don’t know this firsthand, but from friends at UPS and FedEx commuting is a lot less painful, especially with senority when you can get paid for front or backend deadhead.
Single or married, kids or no, length of career, how secure are you financially, health - there are lots of factors to consider. I don’t know this firsthand, but from friends at UPS and FedEx commuting is a lot less painful, especially with senority when you can get paid for front or backend deadhead.
11-20-2018, 02:11 PM
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Fourteen hour trips at the legacy airlines come with the dreaded “9 on, 21 off” schedules. Super senior FO’s fly them. “Dozing for dollars” as half your time is spent on break. No one is forced to fly them but guys more than willingly fly them. 777 CA? Nah, I prefer being senior FO and flying the 9 on/21 off trips.”
And even the ‘short’ 7-9 hr flights are pretty easy. One flight a day is a nice gig.
And even the ‘short’ 7-9 hr flights are pretty easy. One flight a day is a nice gig.
11-20-2018, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Fourteen hour trips at the legacy airlines come with the dreaded “9 on, 21 off” schedules. Super senior FO’s fly them. “Dozing for dollars” as half your time is spent on break. No one is forced to fly them but guys more than willingly fly them. 777 CA? Nah, I prefer being senior FO and flying the 9 on/21 off trips.”
And even the ‘short’ 7-9 hr flights are pretty easy. One flight a day is a nice gig.
And even the ‘short’ 7-9 hr flights are pretty easy. One flight a day is a nice gig.
11-20-2018, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RckyMtHigh
What’s the timeline to be holding a good senior FO sked? Not just holding the seat, but a line like that? Is that 5-10 years or 15-20 years on property?
11-21-2018, 06:40 AM
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Living in base vs. commuting to work... to me personally, it'd be no contest. If I'm on the plane in any capacity, I'm either getting paid or going on vacation. Personal choice.
I don't care for widebody flying or multiple time zone changes. Again, personal choice.
I don't begrudge those who feel differently. Different strokes for different folks.
As for SWA vs. threads... we need SWA vs. Hawaiian thread.
I don't care for widebody flying or multiple time zone changes. Again, personal choice.
I don't begrudge those who feel differently. Different strokes for different folks.
As for SWA vs. threads... we need SWA vs. Hawaiian thread.
11-21-2018, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
More like 20-25+ at Delta. The senior FOs, on the pure widebody fleets, are really senior currently. Could come down (years wise) as things transition to a younger pilot group since we had big gaps in hiring 2001-2007 and 2010-2014.
Hopefully trending better for the guys getting hired now.
11-21-2018, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RckyMtHigh
I was pretty sure I wouldn’t have much of a widebody career when I was transitioning out of the military as a 45 year old a couple years back, but I didn’t think it was that long.
Hopefully trending better for the guys getting hired now.
Hopefully trending better for the guys getting hired now.
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