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Old 05-29-2022 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
Who let the management troll in here?
You new here or something? He's been here for quite a while and he's always been that way. We need a good laugh from time to time.
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Old 05-29-2022 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
That is not even close to the truth. Mid 90s American Eagle (Envoy) had the highest mins at 1500/300. You could get a job at Comair/ASA and a host of others (PFT) with 1200/200. I believe Mesaba was the lowest non-PFT mins at 1000tt.
that is after managements started using employee concessions to increase profitability. As they began stripping away pay and work rules, they were forced to hire continually decreasing total time applicants. When the job was worth having, it was always a much higher time and certificate than just a commercial with 250 TT, and more often than not was well above ATP mins.
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Old 05-29-2022 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
If all regional flying was brought in-house. Assuming they could still staff, would Mesa through Skywest give up? What would they become if not fee for departure? Just curious about unintended consequences from such a hypothetical. Could they create wage pressure by going big flying wide body at narrow body rates.
Mesa has already expanded into ACMI and is now ruining that industry too.
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Old 05-29-2022 | 11:33 AM
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Don’t raise the retirement age! Lower the hour requirement. I’ve had not issues with newbie pilots Speaking from experience as a TRI/TRE overseas on and off for 24 years. Pilots from foreign lands are issued frozen ATPL with some as low as 250 hours. The freeze is removed once 1,500 hours is reached and passing their LPC’s. Bottom line right seaters are captains in training. Their chance to learn and improve their craft is the guy/gal in the right seat. Can’t blame non instructing captains who are hired to be part of crew equipped with a ready to go out of the box.
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Old 05-29-2022 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Don’t raise the retirement age! Lower the hour requirement. I’ve had not issues with newbie pilots Speaking from experience as a TRI/TRE overseas on and off for 24 years. Pilots from foreign lands are issued frozen ATPL with some as low as 250 hours. The freeze is removed once 1,500 hours is reached and passing their LPC’s. Bottom line right seaters are captains in training. Their chance to learn and improve their craft is the guy/gal in the right seat. Can’t blame non instructing captains who are hired to be part of crew equipped with a ready to go out of the box.
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Old 05-29-2022 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
that is after managements started using employee concessions to increase profitability. As they began stripping away pay and work rules, they were forced to hire continually decreasing total time applicants. When the job was worth having, it was always a much higher time and certificate than just a commercial with 250 TT, and more often than not was well above ATP mins.

It was not the 4500 hours you toted and there weren't concession prior to 9-11. It dipped to 250, but never as high as you stated. Not even close. For a person who wasn't in the regionals during the 90s, you seem to speak as if it were gospel. You are flat out wrong.
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Old 05-29-2022 | 10:22 PM
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UAL mainline was hiring dudes and dudettes in the late 80s with less than 1000hrs TT. Same in the late 60s.
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Old 05-29-2022 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
You run a flight school and a crappy 135. You're management. This is your problem to solve. Not labor. Bye now.
100% agreed!
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Old 05-30-2022 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
THE OBVIOUS EFFECT IS WAGES WILL STAGNATE OR GO LOWER.
First off, wages will not go down, and with inflation, they have to increase just to keep the same buying power. Why would the unions let wages decrease? Your statement makes zero sense.
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Tell that to the families of Colgan flight 3407. Things work until they don’t…
That accident had nothing to do with the total time of the pilots involved. This has been explained, please try and keep up.
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Old 05-30-2022 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
First off, wages will not go down, and with inflation, they have to increase just to keep the same buying power. Why would the unions let wages decrease? Your statement makes zero sense.

That accident had nothing to do with the total time of the pilots involved. This has been explained, please try and keep up.
Everyone has explained it to you as well but you can't quite get it through your head either.
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