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Old 07-13-2022 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
The US has a long history of putting despots in place.
Originally Posted by majorpilot
Sadly, this is true…Pinochet being the best example. We propped up many many others, from the Shah to Noriega to Thieu, whom foreign policy wonks deemed useful. The “Commie threat” argument was used to justify everything.

Even aside from the fact one would think we’d have learned the stupidity and futility of those practices, there isn’t a credible “Commie threat” anymore. The Chinese export capital and technology, not ideology, and their particularly nationalistic brand isn’t going to sell elsewhere, as demonstrated by the many countries who’ve taken the money, thanks, but changed nothing about their politics.

We should start acting in our own national interests and not propping up our enemies (we’ve still not punished the enablers and accomplices after the fact of the 9/11 attack) or favored industries or individuals. But I guess that the American Way now…wasn’t what I intended to spend a career defending though…
We don't put them in place any more. Recall that the prospect of a commie (USSR mainly) takeover of much of the world was a real and quite terrifying prospect during the first couple decades of the cold war. Our behavior improved after the 1970's once we figured out that they weren't ten feet tall and probably couldn't bury us.

We do in some cases still cooperate with the least bad of the bad guys, in places like the middle east. That's realpolitik, which is always a component of anybody's foriegn policy, no matter how idealistic.

You can make the argument that it's better to keep them close and hopefully influence their behavior some, than to ostracize them and possibly create rogue regimes.

Someday we'll stop using oil (if for no other reason than it runs out) and the AG and SoH will no longer be vital chokepoints for global economics and stability. I don't see us being deeply involved with non-liberal regimes once the ME is no longer vital to global and national interests. For example while Africa is a hot mess, we have few economic or far-reaching stability interests there, so we are not deeply involved.
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