bugman61

At least at my Air Line, they won’t. The contract and an existing LOA prevent it. And nothing in the proposed language would override that.

bugman61

ICAO does not set age limits. Individual countries do. ICAO has no more power over anyplace else than they do the US.

rickair7777

You are 100% wrong in this context.

Nations who subscribe (contract) to ICAO (99% of those with airlines) agree to allow reciprocity based on ICAO rules. That supersedes most of their domestic aviation rules with exceptions for some specific operational procedures like airspeed limits.

But for crew qualification, if another countries crews are ICAO compliant (certification, training, medical, age, etc) then you agree to allow them to fly in your airspace, without necessarily complying with your local rules.

In exchange, your nation's crews can fly in other countries airspace using their own domestic standards for the most part. For example a MCPL pilot can fly a 777 into JFK even though he cannot legally solo a 152 in the US.

It's not a carte blanche, ICAO sets minimum regulatory requirements, but as long as you meet those you're good.

That's the main reason age 65 happened so fast in 2007... ICAO changed the limit to 65, so foreign crews were flying in US airspace while US pilots were forced to retire at age 60. Didn't seem fair.

Bottom line: If ICAO raises their limit from 65 to 67, then 65+ US pilots can fly international (even if the destination's domestic age limit is lower). The domestic age limits for various nations range from as low as 55 (last I heard) to no limit in some cases. Several are currently 67. All of those can fly international under ICAO.

GreenTailWhale

IF, you are saying those countries with retirement ages above 65 can fly international, per ICAO, that is NOT correct. A perfect example is Canada, they have over 65 at a select few carriers. WestJet is one of them. Their over-65 pilots are not allowed to touch international airspace, including the US. Air Canada does not allow over 65 for that reason.

rickair7777

That's not what I'm saying.

A pilot must be younger than both ICAO age and obviously his own domestic limit to fly international.

I'm that case the destination domestic limit does not matter, whether its 55 or no age limit.

Nick Bradshaw

Why are we still arguing about this? Talk about a waste of time and bandwidth. Not one thing one pilot says is going to influence the outcome.

Nucflash

It’s more a debate on what kind of inevitable crapshow it will create with training, scheduling, sick leave, disability, pencil-whipped medicals, etc after it does happen. Let’s let a bunch of greedy pricks completely overturn the apple cart, why don’t we?

JamesBond

Yeah make sure they just go away and get out of your seat, right amigo?

It is a pretty good apple cart though. Yours hasn't had ANY bad ones yet.

PineappleXpres

“Get out of my seat”

It’s literally how this industry and life works. Not wishing anybody to lose their medical or fired. Just the same treatment that we all got and signed up for. Work until 65. Then let those who fly for the love of it really prove it by doing something new, different, and potentially more challenging (cognitively demanding).

Grumpyaviator

The pilots approaching 65 we saying the same to pilots approaching 60 back then.