Let Experienced Pilots Fly Act (Age 67) - Page 17

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WhistlePig , 07-27-2022 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast

Got to love all the coping from people saying this has no chance of passing. This can and will easily become bipartisan, there is nothing either party loses by supporting this "look we did something" bill.

The Bill has been circulating for months with ZERO interest from anyone. Now it has a few co-sponsors, none of whom have any meaningful influence in committee, among their peers, or in public. The gentleman from South Carolina can't even get his fellow senator to sign on. Not coping, just seeing things as they actually are. There is no upside to supporting this but there is a cost, either in-kind to get it added to Re-Auth, or in constituent dissatisfaction. Labor votes count too. Sen. Graham got a check and he's giving the donor their money's worth. Standard DC stuff.

#162

METO Guido , 07-27-2022 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fasteddie800

Should pilots be forced to retire at age 65 so that younger pilots are able to move up? No.
Should pilots be forced to retire at age 65 so that they aren't a threat to the flying public? Yes.

Medical science is good at a lot of things, but they don't have a handle on cognitive decline due to aging. Some people are sharp into their 90s, some people deteriorate in their 50s. For some, it happens overnight, for others it's a long, slow decline.

Correct, for some, 67 is 'honestly' TOO old.

'Honestly' fit to standards, unlawful to discriminate based on YOB since 1967.

#163

Mytime2025 , 07-27-2022 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueSkies

Really? In a seniority based system where your upward movement is literally based on retirements you wonder why people care? I mean you can be for or against raising the age but it's not rocket surgery to figure out that stopping mandatory retirements for 2 years affects everyone on the list.

Hahaha , I posted that knowing that would be the response. At least your honest lol . All about moving up the ladder has nothing to do with safety. So funny how the senior pilots are being demonized for being senior. It's so childish how pilots want what you have but don't want to pay the dues to get there.

#164

Moonbeam , 07-27-2022 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mytime2025

If the age stays at 65 are you going to Netjets?

#165

Moonbeam , 07-27-2022 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast

Like I said you're coping. This is a such a safe political bill for any member congress, they risk nothing by attaching their wagon to this train. The reason nobody did anything before last week is because it was that much of a non-issue. I expect this to pass very soon with 70% voting in favor. Getting the votes will be very easy now that it's in the news and the bills have been introduced. Like I said they risk nothing supporting this as it's an easy win for them. Nobody cares about a group of workers that are 90% white, male and are part of the top 5% of wage earners, the dems do not see us as labor but as the enemy and the reps know we won't vote for the party of Bernie sanders and aoc. Nobody cares what airline pilots think and our unions are not that significant. This can easily be spun as a "we're giving workers more freedom" and all they have to do is parade out some geriatric widebody captains to say that exact thing and the public will easily eat that up.

Will it take effect immediately? Will this cause a pilot shortage for international flights?

#166

01110011 , 07-27-2022 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by av8or

Hired straight into a major in the 90’s?? From WHERE? An F-18 or C-5? Most of the 90’s had thousands of Eastern, Pan Am and Midway pilots on the street. The 90’s had pay for apply, pay for interview, and pay for training to sit right seat in a Brazilia for 17k a year in the HOPES you MIGHT make it to a major. Late 98-99 were good hiring years, and even THEN, you still had to have Turbine PIC, (sometimes 500 turbine PIC 121) and degree and in the case of SWA a 737 type. And then 1.5 to 2 years later 9/11 goes down.

“The 90’s were an amazing decade for getting hired at a major airline”….. things never said by pilots who were there.

meant 80’s, point is stronger that way anyway since that’s a lot of the 65ish crowd these days.

#167

OOfff , 07-27-2022 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mytime2025

yeah, nobody “paid their dues” except you.

#168

WhistlePig , 07-27-2022 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. The members and their staffs have received a very persuasive education on the training bottleneck, wages, and safety from all of the interested unions. They have been reminded of the PPP that was supposed to preserve jobs. They have been shown what retiring airframes and early retirements do to exponentially increase the number of needed training events. But, we shall see.

#169

Mytime2025 , 07-27-2022 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WhistlePig

For any politician helping the traveling public is an easy vote. No politician wants be blamed for canceled vacation plans, lost birthdays, funerals etc etc etc. Easy bipartisan yes vote. Not to mention most pilots are for it regardless of ALPAs position.

#170

BlueSkies , 07-27-2022 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mytime2025

So back when age 65 happened aside from rejoicing about how much it improved safety and helped the flying public, you were also overjoyed that your seniority essentially stagnated for ~5 years? No big deal that your long awaited (and much needed because management stole your pension) CA upgrade or maybe NB to WB would just have to wait while those pilots at the peak of their seniority got to remain there for another 5 years. That never once rubbed you the wrong way, even if you agreed with it in principle?

Senior pilots are not being demonized for being senior. I commend pilots for making it to being senior, they've earned it. And I expect them to fully exploit the privilege they rightfully earned to get the best schedules and earn the most money while they are senior.