Let Experienced Pilots Fly Act (Age 67)
12-01-2023, 08:07 PM
#1161
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Then ALPA and the others will be subject to significant class action litigation, it’s called a duty of fair representation. ALPA is a business first run by the lawyers. No way they will ever let what you suggest happen!
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12-01-2023, 08:48 PM
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Looks like you’re correct. According to UAL contract comparison. Sorry for the misinformation. So loa’s would need to be done if the age is raised? Is that what happened last time? It’s 65 in most agreements now. The language I mentioned seems like it would work best going forward.
12-01-2023, 09:53 PM
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Looks like you’re correct. According to UAL contract comparison. Sorry for the misinformation. So loa’s would need to be done if the age is raised? Is that what happened last time? It’s 65 in most agreements now. The language I mentioned seems like it would work best going forward.
12-02-2023, 05:21 AM
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Understood. There's no age on the faa mandated retirement age language. That’s the whole point of it. But yes I understand why alpa would be gun shy with it currently.
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12-02-2023, 05:29 AM
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ALPA’s actions now will most certainly be part of significant class action lawsuits if the age doesn’t change. They are clearly supporting the younger members interests above over their most senior members. ALPA should have stayed neutral on age 67.
Most likely age 67 will happen in the next 6 months to a year. Time will tell. The part that really opens ALPA up to DFR if the retro component (pilots over 65 under 67 coming back) is part of the final Bill as it is in the House version.
12-02-2023, 05:32 AM
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Per a document from 2011 titled “Delta Deceased All Years” from Delta ALPA, the “average age of those deceased” pertaining to a Delta Pilot is age 66.49. If the “let experienced pilots fly act” becomes law, how does this data change your perception on working until age 67 and the safety of flying past the average age of death for a US airline pilot?
12-02-2023, 05:38 AM
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Not true no true data exists - that’s pure speculation. I have the polling done by ALPA from 2007 that shows it was close to 50/50 back during the most decade.
ALPA’s actions now will most certainly be part of significant class action lawsuits if the age doesn’t change. They are clearly supporting the younger members interests above over their most senior members. ALPA should have stayed neutral on age 67.
Most likely age 67 will happen in the next 6 months to a year. Time will tell. The part that really opens ALPA up to DFR if the retro component (pilots over 65 under 67 coming back) is part of the final Bill as it is in the House version.
ALPA’s actions now will most certainly be part of significant class action lawsuits if the age doesn’t change. They are clearly supporting the younger members interests above over their most senior members. ALPA should have stayed neutral on age 67.
Most likely age 67 will happen in the next 6 months to a year. Time will tell. The part that really opens ALPA up to DFR if the retro component (pilots over 65 under 67 coming back) is part of the final Bill as it is in the House version.
I can’t see them losing that lawsuit with the language I mentioned but I’m sure they would have to defend one.
12-02-2023, 05:49 AM
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Per a document from 2011 titled “Delta Deceased All Years” from Delta ALPA, the “average age of those deceased” pertaining to a Delta Pilot is age 66.49. If the “let experienced pilots fly act” becomes law, how does this data change your perception on working until age 67 and the safety of flying past the average age of death for a US airline pilot?
12-02-2023, 05:50 AM
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Per a document from 2011 titled “Delta Deceased All Years” from Delta ALPA, the “average age of those deceased” pertaining to a Delta Pilot is age 66.49. If the “let experienced pilots fly act” becomes law, how does this data change your perception on working until age 67 and the safety of flying past the average age of death for a US airline pilot?
12-02-2023, 05:57 AM
#1170
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But you are correct that unions generally cannot intentionally limit benefits by age, for those over age 40 per federal law. So you cannot for example mandate age 65 retirement in the CBA.
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