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Old 09-24-2022 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
Well it’s working for one ULCC who can’t get anyone to show up & is cancelling new-hire classes & is on the verge of imploding….
Yep.

Originally Posted by bonvoyage
Allegiant? Breeze? Spirit? Spill the beans, c’mon
Allegiant.
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Old 09-25-2022 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Yep.



Allegiant.
How many classes? Are you guys net positive or negative on the year on new hire pilots VS attrition?
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Old 09-25-2022 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CordovaCA
How many classes? Are you guys net positive or negative on the year on new hire pilots VS attrition?
+56 year to date, but that is trending down as fewer and fewer show up. We had a class of 9 that was planned for 22+, and resignations have begun picking up again.
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Old 09-25-2022 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CordovaCA
How many classes? Are you guys net positive or negative on the year on new hire pilots VS attrition?
+56
The challenge in getting people to come here is $57/hr. 1st year pay and most new hires are going to have to wait a good while to get based where they want, and in the interim it’s a very very difficult commute. To greatly oversimplify.
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Old 09-26-2022 | 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Don't know, but (somewhat surprisingly) Frontier is filling big classes. 55+ new hires with 100% showing up
With what? CFIs? With the higher pay now at most RJ operators and hiring at mainline it makes no sense to go ULCC for most.
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Old 09-26-2022 | 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
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The challenge in getting people to come here is $57/hr. 1st year pay and most new hires are going to have to wait a good while to get based where they want, and in the interim it’s a very very difficult commute. To greatly oversimplify.
At the same time, places like Allegiant offer day trips and even in the most outstation bases there's bound to be a couple ATPs that live in the area.
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Old 09-26-2022 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Minepza
With what? CFIs? With the higher pay now at most RJ operators and hiring at mainline it makes no sense to go ULCC for most.
I think Frontier is still getting a wide variety of applicants.

We upped first year pay to $90/ hour and started paying for hotels in training. That seemed to make a big difference in getting people in the door.
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Old 09-26-2022 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Minepza
At the same time, places like Allegiant offer day trips and even in the most outstation bases there's bound to be a couple ATPs that live in the area.
That's pretty much what it's come down to. Unless you live in Iowa, Utah, or Michigan and don't desire the traditional airline lifestyle, you'd be nuts to come here. They are shaking the trees to get these guys to show up. When they recruit ladder climbers who say what they have to say to get hired they don't stay long. Management acts like they don't care, and last week said if they can't get people to show up they'll just shrink the company and park the Airbi to staff the 737s on order.
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Old 10-01-2022 | 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Minepza
With what? CFIs? With the higher pay now at most RJ operators and hiring at mainline it makes no sense to go ULCC for most.
Mostly regional guys still with a few corporate. New contracts or not it’s still way better to be at Frontier than any regional.
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Old 10-01-2022 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I think Frontier is still getting a wide variety of applicants.

We upped first year pay to $90/ hour and started paying for hotels in training. That seemed to make a big difference in getting people in the door.
If they can ease the first year transition, there are still a lot of people who will value the long term benefits of a major airline career over other options which may be more lucrative short-term.
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