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10-19-2022 | 09:09 AM

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Commutair almost bought it at PQI the first time around. Skywest had Bend. Those are just the two I know offhand.

there are more, and not just at the regional level. But my point isn’t to discuss that specifically, just that our US aviators aren’t immune to this, especially if they aren’t trained for it specifically.

10-20-2022 | 05:09 AM

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Commutair almost bought it at PQI the first time around. Skywest had Bend. Those are just the two I know offhand.

SWA at BWI a few years back. Down to 88 knots and 30 degrees pitch up on a go around. You read that right.

10-20-2022 | 06:05 AM

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SWA at BWI a few years back. Down to 88 knots and 30 degrees pitch up on a go around. You read that right.

umm excuse me US aviators don’t make those mistakes because we are well-trained

10-20-2022 | 06:35 AM

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umm excuse me US aviators don’t make those mistakes because we are well-trained

Haha. Our safety snapshots read like a horror story sometimes.

10-20-2022 | 06:45 AM

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SWA at BWI a few years back. Down to 88 knots and 30 degrees pitch up on a go around. You read that right.

Jeebus.

It's like there's some kind of anti-competition out there to see just how slow a 737 can go and still remain airborne.

10-20-2022 | 06:47 AM

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SWA at BWI a few years back. Down to 88 knots and 30 degrees pitch up on a go around. You read that right.

I think there was a gnarly one also out of MDW. Could've been a takeoff but something similar.
yes there is some pretty scary **** out there but nothing as egregious as the max crashes. IMO

10-20-2022 | 07:11 AM

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All of you saying the RTS sim was no sweat realize that you were being given the problem after Boeing modified both hardware and software of MCAS, right? The whole point of RTS training was to show how much better it is now. There were US airline 737 pilots given the actual scenario with the OG MCAS. I know one of them. He said it was pretty shocking how fast things got out of hand. The MAX is perfectly safe now, but it wasn't back then.

Meh. The night before the Lion Air crash, the airplane had the same problem. The two managed to stay alive, and the jumpseater pointed out at the trim wheel and recognized it as a runaway trim. Said crew flew entire way to Jakarta with CA side stick shaker going off. Said crew lived. They also wrote the problem up in a horrendous manner that never explained the true gravity of their situation. Next flight was the accident flight.

10-20-2022 | 07:20 AM

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I think there was a gnarly one also out of MDW. Could've been a takeoff but something similar.
yes there is some pretty scary **** out there but nothing as egregious as the max crashes. IMO

88kts on a go around that is practiced constantly is more egregious than a mishandling of an unknown and unannunciated failure mode.

imho

10-20-2022 | 07:50 AM

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88kts on a go around that is practiced constantly is more egregious than a mishandling of an unknown and unannunciated failure mode.

imho

The story goes that it was a missed approach and they both went heads down into the FMC on the go around to check their fuel state for a possible diversion to the alternate. Whatever. Inexcusable, not that I’m implying that I’m infallible.