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10-12-2022 | 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Not happening. The MAX 8 and 9 have already been certified and currently flying as they are.

It's not but it should.

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Once they reengaged the stab trim cutout switches, the CA tried the AP on and obviously it didn't work because he was pulling the yoke about half way back to keep the plane nose up when MCAS was firing down. So desperate was he to engage the AP again, he completely let go of the yoke pressure and then pushed for AP on. The airplane literally nose dove at that point into the ground.

Nice cover forgetting to mention that the manual trim wouldn't move at all - at which point what can you do? Nose is trimmed basically full down, and in a battle between stab and elevator, the stab always wins.

Like it or not Boeing built a POS with the max. A plane with "surprise lawn dart mode" which gives you ten seconds to recover or die.

10-13-2022 | 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by flyguy81

Pretty sure AA put in the first Max order and wanted it to be a common type.

Any airline that operates the 737 wants it to be a common type. Delta's order alone of 100 maxes has a contingency that the 1000 must be a common type for execution.

10-13-2022 | 08:20 AM

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The bill will get extended. Too much riding on this not too . Lobbyist have to place the money in the right hands.

This is all for show

10-13-2022 | 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by flyguy81

Pretty sure AA put in the first Max order and wanted it to be a common type.

Everybody wants it to be a common type... otherwise the majority of airlines would just order 321XLR which is a common type for something they already have.

I think MAX 10 economics take a big, big hit if it's an army of one type-rating wise.

10-13-2022 | 09:07 AM

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I think MAX 10 economics take a big, big hit if it's an army of one type-rating wise.

Absolutely, which is the reason there ever WAS a MAX rather than a clean sheet design. Now if they’d cleaned up the 757 aerodynamically a bit and with the right modern engines…(sigh).

10-13-2022 | 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by nene

Any airline that operates the 737 wants it to be a common type. Delta's order alone of 100 maxes has a contingency that the 1000 must be a common type for execution.

What's the 1000?

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10-13-2022 | 11:48 AM

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What's the 1000?

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-10.

probably took the -800 shortened to -8 and did the reverse making -10 into 1000

10-13-2022 | 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Excargodog

Absolutely, which is the reason there ever WAS a MAX rather than a clean sheet design. Now if they’d cleaned up the 757 aerodynamically a bit and with the right modern engines…(sigh).

There honestly isn't much to clean up on that glider. Just needs a better engine now.

10-13-2022 | 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 4dalulz

It's not but it should.

Nice cover forgetting to mention that the manual trim wouldn't move at all - at which point what can you do? Nose is trimmed basically full down, and in a battle between stab and elevator, the stab always wins.

Like it or not Boeing built a POS with the max. A plane with "surprise lawn dart mode" which gives you ten seconds to recover or die.

And how did they allow their trim to move full nose down? It's not like it was happening blindly to them.

Lets face it, right after takeoff when the AOA sheared to an unrealistic nose high position due to a bird strike, the CA stick shaker going off, the CA asked THREE TIMES for the AP to be engaged. With mismatched AOAs, mismatched airspeeds, and a stick shaker going off.

Once he asked for the AP to be on 3 times, you knew the kind of CA you have (a button pusher). Everyone on this plane was doomed from that moment forward. You didn't have an aviator in that seat. You had a routine, scripted robot who was reverting to "Autopilot engage!"