Age 67 bill
01-03-2023 | 07:38 AM
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Age 65 is there for 1 reason. Safety. Your may not agree with that, but that's the stated reason for it.
The only reason it should be changed is if it's deemed to be safe to do so.
Congress, pilots, airlines, the flying public, boomers retirement account managers, et. al, can't determine if raising the retirement age is the SAFE thing to do.
Conflating this issue with money or seniority is the absolutely worst take someone can have, and easily shows their bias.
The only reason it should be changed is if it's deemed to be safe to do so.
Congress, pilots, airlines, the flying public, boomers retirement account managers, et. al, can't determine if raising the retirement age is the SAFE thing to do.
Conflating this issue with money or seniority is the absolutely worst take someone can have, and easily shows their bias.
01-03-2023 | 08:34 AM
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No TOS violation, and it doesn't hurt to expose this topic to the light of day. I don't think he got the response he was hoping for...
01-03-2023 | 09:11 AM
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Age 65 is there for 1 reason. Safety. Your may not agree with that, but that's the stated reason for it.
The only reason it should be changed is if it's deemed to be safe to do so.
Congress, pilots, airlines, the flying public, boomers retirement account managers, et. al, can't determine if raising the retirement age is the SAFE thing to do.
Conflating this issue with money or seniority is the absolutely worst take someone can have, and easily shows their bias.
The only reason it should be changed is if it's deemed to be safe to do so.
Congress, pilots, airlines, the flying public, boomers retirement account managers, et. al, can't determine if raising the retirement age is the SAFE thing to do.
Conflating this issue with money or seniority is the absolutely worst take someone can have, and easily shows their bias.
How safe is safe enough is the question.
Many factors into safety of course but to make blanket statements about a population as a whole based only on age is a diminishing notion as age increases as people’s health varies quite a bit with age but everyone ends up at the same destination.
01-03-2023 | 09:43 AM
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What is unsafe about a pilot in good health (at least according to their medical) to fly pax an extra two years? Corporate has no retirement age. Some of them are flying until they’re 75. If at 65 you feel incapable or your AME feels you are incapable of flying pax anymore then that’s an obvious time to stop. Again though I feel most pilots, even in great health, are taking early outs anyway.
01-03-2023 | 06:43 PM
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01-03-2023 | 07:14 PM
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This bill is good for all pilots to have the option to fly until age 67. Please contact your representatives below;
Senate Bill S-4607 and House Bill HR-8513 "Let Experienced Pilots Fly Act" allow pilots to fly until age 67.
Senator Lindsay Graham (Senator-S.C.) and Representative Chip Roy (R-TX-21) introduced the bills on July 25-26 2022.
There are also numerous co-sponsors in congress that support these bills. Senator Graham and Representative Roy merely introduced the bills last July and no further action has yet been taken.
//////////CONGRESS MEETS ON JAN 3, 2023. YOUR ACTIONS TO MOVE THESE BILLS FORWARD ARE IMPERATIVE/////////
*Due to the effects of Sept. 11th, Bird Flu, bankruptcies resulting in the loss of our pensions, poorly managed airline mergers and the recent Covid 19 pandemic many of us have had limited airline careers due to furlough, pay cuts, delayed upgrades to captain and loss of wages.
If you are interested in having the "option" to continue to fly to age 67 which closely matches the Social Security retirement age; .please contact your elected representative(s) using the link below.
https://www.congress.gov/members/find-your-member
We the experienced pilots of the U.S. airline industry are strongly in favor of passing Senate bill 4607 & House bill 8513. Thousands of pilots like us are nearing the mandatory retirement age of 65. Some of us would like to continue our careers and help our companies get through this current extreme pilot shortage. Last summer, hundreds of flights were canceled due to a lack of staffing. Regional airlines are in dire straits trying to fly their schedules with minimum staffing. Major airlines are hiring as fast as they can and due to training pipelines are limited to how fast they can ramp up to match the pilot shortage. Analyst show a current shortage of 8,000 pilots and forecast the shortage to exceed 30,000 pilots by 2025. Another study by Kiplinger shows the North America will be short 12,000 pilots by next year. No matter how you look at it, the airline industry is facing an ever increasing shortage. Allowing pilots to stay until age 67 will help to alleviate this problem. Every airline pilot requires a Class 1 FAA Medical to fly with an Airline Transport Rating and pilots allowed to fly past age 65 would still need to meet these stringent requirements. This requires meeting with a certified FAA Medical Examiner every 6 months and requires an EKG every year. Almost all the pilots that are close to this age limit have decades of experience with the airlines. This experience and wisdom can be passed to the younger pilots joining the airlines today. Age limits for pilots were passed over a 100 years ago by ICAO and times have changed. Canada, New Zealand and Australia have NO age limits for pilots. Japan has increased the age to 68. Europe and the US are the lone holdouts on the current age 65 limit. Some EU members have filed for exemptions. The time has come to increase this arbitrary age 65 limit and increase this to age 67. Please join us in supporting the passage of S.4607 & HR.8513. The airline industry needs this now and we would like to continue our careers in America’s growing aviation industry.
Senate Bill S-4607 and House Bill HR-8513 "Let Experienced Pilots Fly Act" allow pilots to fly until age 67.
Senator Lindsay Graham (Senator-S.C.) and Representative Chip Roy (R-TX-21) introduced the bills on July 25-26 2022.
There are also numerous co-sponsors in congress that support these bills. Senator Graham and Representative Roy merely introduced the bills last July and no further action has yet been taken.
//////////CONGRESS MEETS ON JAN 3, 2023. YOUR ACTIONS TO MOVE THESE BILLS FORWARD ARE IMPERATIVE/////////
*Due to the effects of Sept. 11th, Bird Flu, bankruptcies resulting in the loss of our pensions, poorly managed airline mergers and the recent Covid 19 pandemic many of us have had limited airline careers due to furlough, pay cuts, delayed upgrades to captain and loss of wages.
If you are interested in having the "option" to continue to fly to age 67 which closely matches the Social Security retirement age; .please contact your elected representative(s) using the link below.
https://www.congress.gov/members/find-your-member
We the experienced pilots of the U.S. airline industry are strongly in favor of passing Senate bill 4607 & House bill 8513. Thousands of pilots like us are nearing the mandatory retirement age of 65. Some of us would like to continue our careers and help our companies get through this current extreme pilot shortage. Last summer, hundreds of flights were canceled due to a lack of staffing. Regional airlines are in dire straits trying to fly their schedules with minimum staffing. Major airlines are hiring as fast as they can and due to training pipelines are limited to how fast they can ramp up to match the pilot shortage. Analyst show a current shortage of 8,000 pilots and forecast the shortage to exceed 30,000 pilots by 2025. Another study by Kiplinger shows the North America will be short 12,000 pilots by next year. No matter how you look at it, the airline industry is facing an ever increasing shortage. Allowing pilots to stay until age 67 will help to alleviate this problem. Every airline pilot requires a Class 1 FAA Medical to fly with an Airline Transport Rating and pilots allowed to fly past age 65 would still need to meet these stringent requirements. This requires meeting with a certified FAA Medical Examiner every 6 months and requires an EKG every year. Almost all the pilots that are close to this age limit have decades of experience with the airlines. This experience and wisdom can be passed to the younger pilots joining the airlines today. Age limits for pilots were passed over a 100 years ago by ICAO and times have changed. Canada, New Zealand and Australia have NO age limits for pilots. Japan has increased the age to 68. Europe and the US are the lone holdouts on the current age 65 limit. Some EU members have filed for exemptions. The time has come to increase this arbitrary age 65 limit and increase this to age 67. Please join us in supporting the passage of S.4607 & HR.8513. The airline industry needs this now and we would like to continue our careers in America’s growing aviation industry.
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