US house panel votes in age [67]
#413
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I get email after email from my state representative thanking me for giving my opinion on the potential rule change, but they go on to tell me that Airlines such as United have cut service to my state and blame it on a pilot shortage, and somehow raising the age to 67 will allow all the pilots in the “training pipeline” to finish training and get hired at an airline.
So my stance has changed to let pilots over 65 go back and fly an RJ. That solves the entire debacle of ICAO not allowing them to fly international. If you want to fly that bad at 65/66 years old, then go back to an RJ so this nation can recover from the tragedy of cutting air service to places like Cape Girardeau, Missouri and Kearney, Nebraska.
Nothing proves your love for aviation like swinging gear in a 200 in and out of a Class D airport with 23 passengers in the back
So my stance has changed to let pilots over 65 go back and fly an RJ. That solves the entire debacle of ICAO not allowing them to fly international. If you want to fly that bad at 65/66 years old, then go back to an RJ so this nation can recover from the tragedy of cutting air service to places like Cape Girardeau, Missouri and Kearney, Nebraska.
Nothing proves your love for aviation like swinging gear in a 200 in and out of a Class D airport with 23 passengers in the back
#414
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Oct 1 is fiscal year. In most all cases, agency budgets start and stop there, unless a Continuing Resolution is in effect or sequestration. Oct 1 is not optimistic with Congress. They need 10 subcommittee meetings to decide what to eat for breakfast.
Also, "chatter" on this bill has slowed recently.
Also, "chatter" on this bill has slowed recently.
Unless somebody wants to hold the entire thing hostage to make a very public grandstand point about something likely unrelated, this HR should pass on time or close to it. They can use a CR to extend it a bit.
The specific contents can still change, and most likely will at least a little bit. But it's noteworthy that the senate web page says the HR is a joint house and senate proposal... basically says Senate committee and leadership is generally OK with the house proposal. They add a few of their own items, but didn't propose deletions or changes to the HR... as I said that's a pretty benign development, often the two houses propose their own separate versions and then have to hash it out to synchronize them to something which will pass both houses.
There's still potential for somebody to make a public stand against it, possibly even Biden but again he'd have to go on very public record as being opposed to old guys staying on the job. See the problem there? The WH regurgitated ALPA's statement but nobody noticed except the people who were supposed to: You and I. If he defunds a major agency, just in time for holiday travel when the FAA is already struggling to perform, THAT will get attention, and not the kind he needs.
Somebody will need a powerful motive at this point because these bills are rigged with pork and special interests... everybody gets something. If you want to make a public spectacle out of taking away some other politicians goodies, then who's going to scratch YOUR back. It could happen but somebody will need a motive and the willingness to go against the grain on what in the grand scheme is a minor issue. In other circumstances I'd say veto might be the best bet, but not this year.
Let's call it 70-80% going to happen as of today. Effective date likely 1 Oct or sooner since there's no hint of delays, which again would be politically counter-intuitive since the FAA needs help, not defunding.
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And then yesterday we got a blast email from ALPA asking everyone to let their congresscritters know we oppose age 67. It looks like a last ditch hail mary before ALPA changes its stance in August during the Congressional recess IF it's clear that the age will change.
If the political winds change on this, I'll be happy to post new information. However, at this point it appears that age 67 will be attached to both the House and Senate versions of the FAA Reauthorization Act.
The silver lining is that the hot mess won't hit all at once, it will build slowly as senior WB pilots age out.
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I get email after email from my state representative thanking me for giving my opinion on the potential rule change, but they go on to tell me that Airlines such as United have cut service to my state and blame it on a pilot shortage, and somehow raising the age to 67 will allow all the pilots in the “training pipeline” to finish training and get hired at an airline.
So my stance has changed to let pilots over 65 go back and fly an RJ. That solves the entire debacle of ICAO not allowing them to fly international. If you want to fly that bad at 65/66 years old, then go back to an RJ so this nation can recover from the tragedy of cutting air service to places like Cape Girardeau, Missouri and Kearney, Nebraska.
Nothing proves your love for aviation like swinging gear in a 200 in and out of a Class D airport with 23 passengers in the back
So my stance has changed to let pilots over 65 go back and fly an RJ. That solves the entire debacle of ICAO not allowing them to fly international. If you want to fly that bad at 65/66 years old, then go back to an RJ so this nation can recover from the tragedy of cutting air service to places like Cape Girardeau, Missouri and Kearney, Nebraska.
Nothing proves your love for aviation like swinging gear in a 200 in and out of a Class D airport with 23 passengers in the back
Furloughs begin in less than a year. 20% off the bottom of every legacy. Prepare yourselves.
#419
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Don't worry. Right after ALPA caves in Aug/Sep to support this (like they did last time when they didn't want to be on the losing side), they'll also cave and encourage their MECs to push LOAs allowing 67-67 pilots who recently retired to me back with seniority because "fairness" and "experience". Since the senior guys control the MECs these LOAs will easily pass and won't be sent to MEMRAT due to the "urgent nature of the issue". Then the circle will be complete. Until they come back in 2 years and demand 70+. Which they will.
Furloughs begin in less than a year. 20% off the bottom of every legacy. Prepare yourselves.
Furloughs begin in less than a year. 20% off the bottom of every legacy. Prepare yourselves.
Kinda hope this happens tbh. It will screw things up even more than they are now.
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Don't worry. Right after ALPA caves in Aug/Sep to support this (like they did last time when they didn't want to be on the losing side), they'll also cave and encourage their MECs to push LOAs allowing 67-67 pilots who recently retired to me back with seniority because "fairness" and "experience". Since the senior guys control the MECs these LOAs will easily pass and won't be sent to MEMRAT due to the "urgent nature of the issue". Then the circle will be complete. Until they come back in 2 years and demand 70+. Which they will.
I'm not going to predict black swans, or their absence, that's just a looming specter we all have to learn to live with in this bidness,
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